Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Israeli Minister of National Security, Itamar Ben-Gvir:

“The deal that is being formed is terrible. I know its details well: it includes the release of hundreds of murderous terrorists from prisons, the return of Gazans, including thousands of terrorists, to the northern Gaza Strip, withdrawing the IDF from the Netzarim axis, and returning the threat to the residents of the encirclement - thereby effectively erasing the war achievements that have been achieved with much blood by our fighters, so far, in the Gaza Strip.

Not only that, it does not lead to the release of all the hostages, and seals the fate of the remaining hostages who are not included in the deal to death.

Our withdrawal alone will not prevent the deal from being implemented. Therefore, I call on my friend, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, to join me in full cooperation against the terrible deal that is being formulated, and together to inform the Prime Minister clearly and firmly that if the deal is implemented, we will withdraw from the government together.

I emphasize: Even if we are in the opposition, we will not bring down Netanyahu, but this move is our only chance to prevent its implementation, and in fact to prevent the surrender of the State of Israel to Hamas, after more than a year of bloody war.”

https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1879088486977847385?mx=2

He is right, from the Zionist point of view the ceasefire and the exchange of hostages is a clear victory for Hamas. They can disguise it as good will, but what it is is a surrender. Israel cannot handle the pressure, Hamas wins.

Hamas are now the heroes of Islam, thousands will join them. A step towards Israel's defeat. If Hamas is firm and is willing to sacrifice millions of its people, Israel is lost. Israel cannot kill millions, nor can it afford thousands and thousands of casualties of its soldiers. The pressure is closing in on Israel, if they keep tightening, Israel loses. Hamas has nothing to lose, everything to gain: paradise and victory.

How many Palestinians have seen their children die under the rubble? Soldiers for Hamas, hundreds of thousands. It is impossible to defeat them if you are not willing to massacre millions, and Israel cannot do it. Goodbye Israel

[Karmadhi]

9 hours ago, Nivsch said:

If it depends on this government especially in its current composition I agree.

 

The current government doesnt care about the hostages or thinks its a sacrifice worth making if it leads to them taking land in Gaza?

 

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

The current government doesnt care about the hostages or thinks it’s a sacrifice worth making if it leads to them taking land in Gaza?

Of course they care about the hostages, but they care about them for extremely selfish reasons.

Contemplate: What purpose do the hostages serve to each side of the war?

[kray]

21 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Donald Trump takes credit for ceasefire deal.

Edit: It was confirmed that this deal was brokered by a Trump envoy. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-official-trump-envoy-swayed-netanyahu-more-in-one-meeting-than-biden-did-all-year/

 

 

Welp, excited to welcome President Donald J Trump 🫡 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Breakingthewall

I can think of some people who ARE happy, see the link below.

 

20 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

After the ceasefire announcement, Hamas leader Khalil al-Haya's speech live from Qatar. 🇵🇸🇶🇦

 

https://x.com/koshercockney/status/1879647386139771228

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

@Breakingthewall

I can think of some people who ARE happy, see the link below.

 

 

Of course , and as he said they will do again. It's quite simple, they have demonstrated their willingness to sacrifice their people for their cause. Israel has demonstrated its inability to sacrifice its people and its ethics. They can kill, but there is a limit. The Jews are not going to be genocidal, they cannot be. It's a duel of fanatism, and Hamas and the Palestinians are not attacking their survival either, they have no capacity for it, they will only make their lives hell, year after year. It is the only possible strategy to win. Invading Israel is impossible, but making their lives miserable is possible, and the Jews of today are not the Jews of 1960. Who wants that shit? Are we crazy? But who knows, now that the Jews have understood that it is a duel of fanaticism, there will be a movement to become more fanatic, the sane people will leave and the crazy fanatics will stay. Party!

[Twentyfirst]

Before zionism it was Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews living side by side. I think it will return to that once this zionism crap is over. It will be over before you know it. The lunatic Jews will voluntarily leave once they realize they are a minority and they can't get high off power or oppressing others anymore and that the US wont support zionism. And the so called terrorist groups of the Middle East will disappear and it will be a peaceful region for living, economy, and tourism. Hamas will probably be disbanded. The one state solution or maybe even two state will be finalized. Any wars that do need to take place for corporations to profit will take place in Europe just like it used to before zionism 

Edited Friday at 05:33 PM by Twentyfirst

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, zazen said:

 which necessitate resistance

Resistance? Really? 

Will the results change if we continue repeating the same strategies over and over again?

Is this truly the way to alleviate the fears of Israelis and earn their trust? (The same applies to the Israeli side.)

Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

Yes!

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Resistance? Really? 

Will the results change if we continue repeating the same strategies over and over again?

Is this truly the way to alleviate the fears of Israelis and earn their trust? (The same applies to the Israeli side.)

Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

Palestinians attempted many legal challenges and peaceful protests, israel always responded with obstruction and violence. 

[Nivsch]

39 minutes ago, Raze said:

Palestinians attempted many legal challenges and peaceful protests, israel always responded with obstruction and violence. 

In 2018? They were violent.

They could have initiated genuine declarations of their willingness to come to the negotiation table. Barely did it.

Edited Friday at 10:20 PM by Nivsch

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

In 2018? They were violent.

They could have initiated genuine declarations of their willingness to come to the negotiation table. Barely did it.

It's up to the Israelis to stand up and be the better man in the situation. Since they have much more power. 

If a 250 pound man and a 100 pound man are fighting at the bar. It's more honorable for the larger man to voluntarily give mercy on the smaller man. Versus the smaller man having to beg for forgiveness to the larger man. The smaller man by definition can't give mercy to the larger one

[Nivsch]

@Twentyfirst The 250 pound one feels as treatened as the 100 because he is one of its kind in the neigborhood of more 100 pound men.

Edited Saturday at 08:51 AM by Nivsch

[Lila9]

11 hours ago, Raze said:

Palestinians attempted many legal challenges and peaceful protests, israel always responded with obstruction and violence. 

I don’t know. Currently, Palestinians are holding parades in Gaza, calling themselves the people of Deif (the mastermind behind October 7).

Children (younger than 10 years old) are wearing Hamas uniforms and holding guns, with confused stares. It appears they are more determined to destroy Israel than to peacefully coexist, even if it means sacrificing their prosperity and making their children martyrs. While some Palestinians genuinely want to coexist with Jews in the territory of Israel, the majority appear reluctant, and it gets worse.

The younger generation in the West Bank has been heavily radicalized, and the vast majority of them support Hamas. This is partly due to Israel’s response to the October 7 attack but also because the PLO leadership is very old, corrupt, and disconnected from their people. So, there are no better options.

Palestinians need their own awakening and conscious alternatives and movements. Israelis get accused of selecting Netanyahu as their prime minister, and Americans for selecting Trump as their president, but the same standard should be applied to Palestinians.

If the majority of them had real intentions to coexist with Israelis, they would have rejected Hamas and any leadership determined to remove Israel. We have seen in the Arab world many times that when Arabs are determined to rebel against their leaders, they do so. But they don’t, because the leaders who support the destruction of Israel are the ones they choose and support, not the ones who may suggest the idea of co existence. I doubt that there are people in the West Bank or Gaza who openly support co existence with Israel and are still alive or no in prison. 
 

Given the circumstances, I doubt the two-state solution is feasible. It will likely end with either the destruction of Israel or Palestine.

[gambler]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Given the circumstances, I doubt the two-state solution is feasible. It will likely end with either the destruction of Israel or Palestine.

Israel has shown in the 70s that if there is a real threat to its survival, it will likely nuke its neighbors. So be honest and say it will likely end with the destruction of Palestine. 

Edited Saturday at 10:29 AM by gambler

[Lila9]

9 minutes ago, gambler said:

Israel has shown in the 70s that if there is a real threat to its survival, it will likely nuke its neighbors. So be honest and say it will likely end with the destruction of Palestine. 

I am not a fortune teller nor a prophet. You assign me a big role. How could I possibly know?

All I can confidently say now is that the two-state solution appears very impossible. This may change in the next 50 years for better or for worse, either for the Israelies, the Palestinians, or both. No one can predict this, and I don’t believe in anyone’s predictions or anyone who pretends to be a fortune teller or prophet, no matter how wise or intellectual they may be. It’s all talk. Let’s wait and see.

 

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

If the majority of them had real intentions to coexist with Israelis, they would have rejected Hamas and any leadership determined to remove Israel

I think it can be smarter to leverage Abraham Accords to put pressure on Palestinians and Israelis to promote a deal.

If we had now a different government of say Yair Golan, Lapid, Gantz and Aizencot in key positions, they would more likely go with that because this resonate with their worldview far more than the messianic government we have now of Ben Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu.

Edited Saturday at 11:30 AM by Nivsch

[Hatfort]

After more than a year of destruction, slaughter, and depravation of basic needs and aid, it's good news. Israel will keep killing until the last minute, not that I say it, but reports of entire families and people in general being killed have kept coming since we heard about these ceasefire conversations days ago. When will it be done? Probably when Trump starts his second term, I think it's in the 20th. Since Trump is taking credit for this, it would be a bad look for him if it continued much longer.

I think factors like the IDF getting more casualties in Gaza, and the temporary ceasefire with Hezbollah coming to an end have had their weight in this. But seems the main one has been Trump, there was a deal since last year that Biden presented, but Israel just wasn't willing to go with it. Now it seems Trump is not interested in helping Netanyahu, I don't believe he gives a fuck about Palestinians, but he must have thought this continuing is not in his interest either, which I agree, so there it is. It's an awful look for Biden, he permitted the slaughter until the last minute of his term, which he could have ended in a phone call, just by threatening to cut the fund and weapon supplies. He'll be remembered for this, among other things. I was one of those saying Trump would be worse than Biden for the Palestinians, I know it's early, but this is a point for Trump for now. I don't care about being wrong about that as long as the slaughter ends, but on the other hand, why the Hell did Biden let it happen? Not even ultraconservatives like Reagan let it go that far. News and images coming from Gaza during all these months were speaking for themselves, and we probably haven't seen the worst things, as journalists were a main target too.

Trump is a wild card, indeed. I think it's very possible the war in Ukraine ends with him too. Putin put some terms last year, claiming the East which has mostly conquered already, and neutrality for Ukraine mostly. What's the alternative? Keep funding Zelensky and keep losing more land. The US military industry is probably quite satisfied, the Ukrainian cow is mostly milked now. Then Trump is hinting to put his aims on the American continent. I don't think Greenland stuff is a joke, from Trump's point of view, why does a tiny country like Denmark get to have this huge island that is closer to us, and has strategic and natural resources value? Denmark won't even bark, but it can be a big crisis for NATO. If they annex it, the Greenlanders will lose their universal healthcare, and get the awesome insurance-based one of the USA. Congrats! The Panama Canal I'm afraid is a very tasty treat too, but that would be more difficult.

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Twentyfirst The 250 pound one feels as treatened as the 100 because he is one of its kind in the neigborhood of more 100 pound men.

The Arab neighbors that attacked in 67 because Israel is a destabilization of the entire region? 

50 years ago is not today. You can't be paranoid about something that happened so long ago 

Besides you missed my point. First the 250 pound man needs to have mercy on the 100 pound man so the 100 pound man doesn't have to get his friends to help. 

Israel just needs to give Palestinians their land and rights back BEFORE expecting Palestinians to not be hostile. It will never happen the other way around

Edited Saturday at 11:50 AM by Twentyfirst

[Lila9]

21 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I think it can be smarter to leverage Abraham Accords to put pressure on Palestinians and Israelis to promote a deal.

If we had now a different government of say Yair Golan, Lapid, Gantz and Aizencot in key positions, they would more likely go with that because this resonate with their worldview far more than the messianic government we have now of Ben Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu.

You may be right but looking at our government it appears that they are non-removable and are determined to stay at any cost like a cancer.