Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Israeli Minister of National Security, Itamar Ben-Gvir:

“The deal that is being formed is terrible. I know its details well: it includes the release of hundreds of murderous terrorists from prisons, the return of Gazans, including thousands of terrorists, to the northern Gaza Strip, withdrawing the IDF from the Netzarim axis, and returning the threat to the residents of the encirclement - thereby effectively erasing the war achievements that have been achieved with much blood by our fighters, so far, in the Gaza Strip.

Not only that, it does not lead to the release of all the hostages, and seals the fate of the remaining hostages who are not included in the deal to death.

Our withdrawal alone will not prevent the deal from being implemented. Therefore, I call on my friend, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, to join me in full cooperation against the terrible deal that is being formulated, and together to inform the Prime Minister clearly and firmly that if the deal is implemented, we will withdraw from the government together.

I emphasize: Even if we are in the opposition, we will not bring down Netanyahu, but this move is our only chance to prevent its implementation, and in fact to prevent the surrender of the State of Israel to Hamas, after more than a year of bloody war.”

https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1879088486977847385?mx=2

He is right, from the Zionist point of view the ceasefire and the exchange of hostages is a clear victory for Hamas. They can disguise it as good will, but what it is is a surrender. Israel cannot handle the pressure, Hamas wins.

Hamas are now the heroes of Islam, thousands will join them. A step towards Israel's defeat. If Hamas is firm and is willing to sacrifice millions of its people, Israel is lost. Israel cannot kill millions, nor can it afford thousands and thousands of casualties of its soldiers. The pressure is closing in on Israel, if they keep tightening, Israel loses. Hamas has nothing to lose, everything to gain: paradise and victory.

How many Palestinians have seen their children die under the rubble? Soldiers for Hamas, hundreds of thousands. It is impossible to defeat them if you are not willing to massacre millions, and Israel cannot do it. Goodbye Israel

[Karmadhi]

9 hours ago, Nivsch said:

If it depends on this government especially in its current composition I agree.

 

The current government doesnt care about the hostages or thinks its a sacrifice worth making if it leads to them taking land in Gaza?

 

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

The current government doesnt care about the hostages or thinks it’s a sacrifice worth making if it leads to them taking land in Gaza?

Of course they care about the hostages, but they care about them for extremely selfish reasons.

Contemplate: What purpose do the hostages serve to each side of the war?

[kray]

21 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Donald Trump takes credit for ceasefire deal.

Edit: It was confirmed that this deal was brokered by a Trump envoy. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-official-trump-envoy-swayed-netanyahu-more-in-one-meeting-than-biden-did-all-year/

 

 

Welp, excited to welcome President Donald J Trump 🫡 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Breakingthewall

I can think of some people who ARE happy, see the link below.

 

20 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

After the ceasefire announcement, Hamas leader Khalil al-Haya's speech live from Qatar. 🇵🇸🇶🇦

 

https://x.com/koshercockney/status/1879647386139771228

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

@Breakingthewall

I can think of some people who ARE happy, see the link below.

 

 

Of course , and as he said they will do again. It's quite simple, they have demonstrated their willingness to sacrifice their people for their cause. Israel has demonstrated its inability to sacrifice its people and its ethics. They can kill, but there is a limit. The Jews are not going to be genocidal, they cannot be. It's a duel of fanatism, and Hamas and the Palestinians are not attacking their survival either, they have no capacity for it, they will only make their lives hell, year after year. It is the only possible strategy to win. Invading Israel is impossible, but making their lives miserable is possible, and the Jews of today are not the Jews of 1960. Who wants that shit? Are we crazy? But who knows, now that the Jews have understood that it is a duel of fanaticism, there will be a movement to become more fanatic, the sane people will leave and the crazy fanatics will stay. Party!

[Twentyfirst]

Before zionism it was Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews living side by side. I think it will return to that once this zionism crap is over. It will be over before you know it. The lunatic Jews will voluntarily leave once they realize they are a minority and they can't get high off power or oppressing others anymore and that the US wont support zionism. And the so called terrorist groups of the Middle East will disappear and it will be a peaceful region for living, economy, and tourism. Hamas will probably be disbanded. The one state solution or maybe even two state will be finalized. Any wars that do need to take place for corporations to profit will take place in Europe just like it used to before zionism 

Edited 5 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, zazen said:

 which necessitate resistance

Resistance? Really? 

Will the results change if we continue repeating the same strategies over and over again?

Is this truly the way to alleviate the fears of Israelis and earn their trust? (The same applies to the Israeli side.)

Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

Yes!

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Resistance? Really? 

Will the results change if we continue repeating the same strategies over and over again?

Is this truly the way to alleviate the fears of Israelis and earn their trust? (The same applies to the Israeli side.)

Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

Palestinians attempted many legal challenges and peaceful protests, israel always responded with obstruction and violence. 

[Nivsch]

39 minutes ago, Raze said:

Palestinians attempted many legal challenges and peaceful protests, israel always responded with obstruction and violence. 

In 2018? They were violent.

They could have initiated genuine declarations of their willingness to come to the negotiation table. Barely did it.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Nivsch