Leo is NOT Construct Aware

[Unsavory5291]

7 hours ago, AION said:

People wouldn't be asking these kind of questions if people just read Ken Wilber instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. One of the biggest problem of spiritual people nowadays is that they are trying to reinvent the wheel and feel genius. I'm not above this mental/spiritual masturbation.

I do not understand how you can read any IRL context on Ken Wilber, read his book "A brief history of everything" and not think he is just a dreamy narcissist.

The closest I've seen to something that just doesn't just reiteratively add descriptors is the qualitative analysis of language of Susanne R. Cook-Greuter (which she talks about in "Posutautonomous Ego Development: A Study of Its Nature and Measurement")

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[Unsavory5291]

On the topic of the post: Using the language of ego-developmental frameworks, It is very much not ego-aware to postulate about someone's "true" level of ego development, especially someone you don't know and haven't talked to.

Reaching one-ness through cognitive relativism is nothing but a short-cut to avoid emotional pain. It has nothing to do with Oneness. Oneness is about choosing to take in your pain, and the pain of others. The symbol of Christ here is appropriate.

I do find it odd that some of Leo's political opinions are unusually strong, at least in the forum, but that might as well just be my naivety. I've noticed that quite a few intelligent people are very afraid of the consequences of "buffoon leaders" (Sam Harris or the political commentator Destiny come to mind), while I consider them for now as necessary disruptions in how the world has been operating.

[Hojo]

@AION Ken Wilbert isn't an argument. State what he says in your own words it might make it an argument.

You cant argue against something by stating a man's name its not an argument or a rebuttal.

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[The Crocodile]

4 hours ago, Unsavory5291 said:

I do not understand how you can read any IRL context on Ken Wilber, read his book "A brief history of everything" and not think he is just a dreamy narcissist.

There's a book he wrote called Boomeritis where a brilliant MIT student "Ken Wilber" studies at a prestigious Integral Institute and learns about evolution, while hardcore fantasizing about a female classmate Chloe.

[Joshe]

On 1/15/2025 at 4:59 PM, Leo Gura said:

Would be wise of you to remember that David Hawkins was a Ben Shapiro fan.

Source?

[Joshe]

@Butters the reason why any of us focus on anything we do is because we have told ourselves it’s important to focus on it. Some may find it important to focus on peace at the exclusion of chaos and some may choose to focus on the chaos rather than peace. Each person gets something from it, otherwise, they wouldn’t focus where they do. What drives people to do either is a matter of condition and circumstance, none of which they chose. Why do magnets attract or why is ice slippery? Because they do and because it just is. Leo is not the evolved being you seem to think he is. He’s just another human doing what all of us humans do…that which we do not choose. 

Our conscious attention and values are shaped by our own narrative-making…narratives we often create unconsciously…which is why it’s hard to answer the question: Why do you care about the things you care about? Why does one harp on Trump? Being someone who has done the same, it’s not easy to answer that question. I tell myself I do it because it’s important that humanity not blunder or that I care about humanity, but I suspect there’s much more to it than that. 

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[Leo Gura]

45 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Source?

One of his own books. Can't recall which one.

Hawkins was a supporter of Christian Republicans in the Mike Pence vein. He would have likely been a MAGA if he was still alive today. Which shows you how stupid and corrupt these enlightened people can be.

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[Joshe]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hawkins was a supporter of Christian Republicans in the Mike Pence vein. He would have likely been a MAGA if he was still alive today. Which shows you how stupid and corrupt these enlightened people can be.

Haha, I highly doubt Hawkins would be for MAGA. Politics was different in his time. He had a conservative bent but he wouldn’t call overt devilry good. He was too integrous for that. Also, Hawkins references a lot of news sources to prove some of his points. If he referenced Ben Shapiro, that is funny, but it doesn’t make him a fan. 

[AION]

10 hours ago, Hojo said:

@AION Ken Wilbert isn't an argument. State what he says in your own words it might make it an argument.

You cant argue against something by stating a man's name its not an argument or a rebuttal.

What he says can’t be put in couple of paragraphs. Even if I did you wouldn’t understand. 

[vibv]

On 15.1.2025 at 10:02 PM, Butters said:

Reality is all a mind game yet Leo comes here saying how Trump is bad and all sorts of things about politics. Well, Leo creates reality with the mind, so why would he choose to create unpleasant things? Sure you could say the God-mind creates all sorts of suffering for a reason, but at least Leo the person would choose to create happy things only. Leo would then teach his followers how to only live in a very high state constantly. 

Leo is interested in finding truth, but truth (lowercase) is entirely subjective, and Trump has nothing to do with absolute Truth, so why create this into existence by talking about this? This is a lack of construct awareness. 

Unless we're going to split Leo's audience into separate stages. Perhaps then we could say "political talk is only for the highest evolved who have become emotionally unshakable", but until then why not focus all the teachings on creating your own truth, which is as good as truth, since you construct reality with the mind. 

All you wanna do is move up this ladder, there's no need to dilute progress with false gods like politics, society or any other things, these have nothing to do with absolute Truth. But Leo talks about them which makes it seem like any of this matters. 

Those graphs and models ARE constructs that will be seen through at the construct aware stage as constructions of the ego to feel secure, in control and permanent.

(Read this: https://integral-review.org/issues/vol_14_no_1_cook-greuter_construct_aware_stage_and_the_fool_archetype.pdf )

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

He was too integrous for that.

Lolz

[Yimpa]

You are Divinely Stupid