Is Happiness Conditional Or Unconditional?

[integral]

24 minutes ago, gengar said:

What do you mean specifically with "the real thing"?

 Example: You wake up everyday in chronic pain. 

The body is not working properly in various ways. And there's no solution. That is now your life. Permanently.

The quality of every moment of your life is affected by this. Every experience you have is Tainted for life.

What happens is then you're forced learn to not care that you're suffering. And be okay with it.

While a normal person is living and bathing in premium biology and natural hormonal drugs that they have no idea is even happening.

And when you lose these natural drugs your body is flooding your system with, you experience a brutal soberness to life. 

There is no Grand Awakening and enlightenment to alleviate this, it's always going to be hard until you die.

You're only allowed to sit there and Bliss out if your body gives you the drugs to do so. You need premium biology to be blissing out.

Edited 9 hours ago by integral

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, integral said:

 Example: You wake up everyday in chronic pain. 

The body is not working properly in various ways. And there's no solution. That is now your life. Permanently.

The quality of every moment of your life is affected by this. Every experience you have is Tainted for life.

What happens is then you're forced learn to not care that you're suffering. And be okay with it.

While a normal person is living and bathing in premium biology and natural hormonal drugs that they have no idea is even happening.

And when you lose these natural drugs your body is flooding your system with, you experience a brutal soberness to life. 

There is no Grand Awakening and enlightenment to alleviate this, it's always going to be hard until you die.

You're only allowed to sit there and Bliss out if your body gives you the drugs to do so. You need premium biology to be blissing out.

The pain could be converted into pleasure.

[Ishanga]

26 minutes ago, integral said:

There's two kinds of responses those that come from people who suffered in a normal way and had normal struggles throughout life but managed to get through life and succeed or are still struggling but it's basically within the degrees of acceptable expected struggles of life. This is the spiritual New Age camp.

And then there's people that experienced immense endless Relentless suffering and they had to do everything imaginable to survive and fix their debilitating issues, and have a very clear understanding that life is utterly brutal and whatever hard struggle you had before was Child's Play.

Most of you have no idea how bad life gets. You're living with premium biology and have absolutely no understanding of that. Your entirely high on biology and don't understand that you are, you take absolutely all of it for granted. And all of your struggles pale in comparison to the real thing.

It's like when you see a teenager struggling with growing up crisis and offended by everything. That's 99.99% of adults who have not woken up yet. Everyone is having a crisis before the ship even sunk. When the ship sinks you'll know what a real crisis is.

People that are dealing with Immense Suffering Situations, like in Syria or Gaza or Concentration Camps, Famines and such, at the least they have an accuse to be Suffering, but there have been many ppl that have lived these lives and not suffered it, so its possible..  There are torturous situations happening as well in Western Wealthy Countries too, more personal stories and situations I think but not everybody here is hunky dory..

But most People are not living in tremendously very bad Situations, they are living either okay lives or pretty good lives situationally but they are suffering terribly inside themselves, many ppl live quiet lives of Desperation, working same same jobs daily, isolated and can't go anywhere in life due to financial or other challenges, so the point is that Humans can suffer most anything, wealth or lack of wealth, married or single, educated or uneducated, successful or failure, name it they can suffer it either way, so its never really about the situation (only in extreme cases), its about how You are Responding to it that counts, ppl are suffering what happened 10yrs ago or what may happen 2 days from now, but both places don't exist, only Now exists so if we focus more on the NOW, then that will take away most ppl's problems and suffering imo...

[integral]

14 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

People that are dealing with Immense Suffering Situations, like in Syria or Gaza or Concentration Camps, Famines and such, at the least they have an accuse to be Suffering, but there have been many ppl that have lived these lives and not suffered it, so its possible..  There are torturous situations happening as well in Western Wealthy Countries too, more personal stories and situations I think but not everybody here is hunky dory..

But most People are not living in tremendously very bad Situations, they are living either okay lives or pretty good lives situationally but they are suffering terribly inside themselves, many ppl live quiet lives of Desperation, working same same jobs daily, isolated and can't go anywhere in life due to financial or other challenges, so the point is that Humans can suffer most anything, wealth or lack of wealth, married or single, educated or uneducated, successful or failure, name it they can suffer it either way, so its never really about the situation (only in extreme cases), its about how You are Responding to it that counts, ppl are suffering what happened 10yrs ago or what may happen 2 days from now, but both places don't exist, only Now exists so if we focus more on the NOW, then that will take away most ppl's problems and suffering imo...

If you take a hundred people who do the same job, each of them will self-report how hard they felt that job was. And you'll get a spectrum, where some people found the task psychologically much harder, while others felt it was psychologically effortless.

When someone wakes up, psychologically everything becomes a lot easier. You still have to do work, but there's less resistance to it.

The above is what basic spirituality is about and why Eckhart Tolle and every spiritual teacher can just sit there and explain to you how to be a Buddhist and how to end suffering. That's about it, they're just explaining how to let go of resistance to reality.

But there is a prerequisite to this. The prerequisite is that you have a healthy body.

Without a healthy body, you cannot produce the chemicals to stay in a good state. You experience sobriety, and sobriety to life is brutal.

State is everything. And you lose that premium state when there's biological issues. Losing that premium state is the highest loss you will ever experience. And for most of you it's going to come probably in your 50s>.

Edited 9 hours ago by integral

[gengar]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you care about truth just do the inquiry work and see where it takes you. Don't try to jump to the anwser because it requires the journey.

If you want something like that then you need to go sit alone in a room for a few months straight and see how far you get.

The way out of what?

God will dream forever.

Most people are not thinking of any horrors, they are just being selfish and ignorant and parroting memes they heard.

It's not like a Christian is conscious of the horrors of life. They are acting out some fantasy they heard.

There is no devil.

There is only Good. But everyone is too selfish to care.

You don't think that every human, including Christians, are secretly subconsciously aware of the truth of oneness, and therefore always repressing and scared of it?

For me, it was extremely challenging to grok it and took me years to accept. I even considered religion simply for this fact, that it denies oneness and offers a way out of the horrors of reality. It almost cost me my mind. But maybe I am unique in that.

And with ultimate liberation I mean God liberating himself ultimately, outside of the confines of illusions of human life or any creature life. I dont mean some buddhist fantasy. Essentially I mean Mahasamadhi, something you even said you were close to, I believe in the 30 day 5-meo video. You said Mahasamadhi was the end of reality forever.

"There is no devil.

There is only Good. But everyone is too selfish to care."

Beautifully said.

I guess what I meant is that if reality dreams forever, there is a perfect balance between nightmares and dreams, both going on infinitely.

[gengar]

@Leo Gura btw, do you think I am doing proper contemplation here like you assigned us in the latest perspectives video, or am I not? Are my questions high or low quality?

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, integral said:

If you take a hundred people who do the same job, each of them will self-report how hard they felt that job was. And you'll get a spectrum, where some people found the task psychologically much harder, while others felt it was psychologically effortless.

When someone wakes up, psychologically everything becomes a lot easier. You still have to do work, but there's less resistance to it.

The above is what basic spirituality is about and why Eckhart Tolle and every spiritual teacher can just sit there and explain to you how to be a Buddhist and how to end suffering. That's about it, they're just explaining how to let go of resistance to reality.

But there is a prerequisite to this. The prerequisite is that you have a healthy body.

Without a healthy body, you cannot produce the chemicals to stay in a good state. You experience sobriety, and sobriety to life is brutal.

State is everything. And you lose that premium state when there's biological issues. Losing that premium state is the highest loss you will ever experience. And for most of you it's going to come probably in your 50s>.

Hatha Yoga can help with this, and if they can't do that then try Upa Yoga. Ppl can do things to improve their lives even is they have some sort of disability or pain problem, but if they just give up and say there is nothing to do about it then that is the truth for them.. For some there is nothing to do about it, the situation is too extreme... Victor Frankl spent years in a concentration camp, he came out of it better than when he went in, everybody can do this to a certain extent, its just a matter of willingness. One cannot just look at the worst examples and say this is the way it is, there are too many variables, first one has to make a decision, is this the way it is going to be the rest of my life or am I able to make a change step by step? Make the decision once then make a plan then execute the plan, going zig zag, back and forth, doing the plan one day, not doing it the next is the worst thing to do and is what most are doing hence they have what they have in life...

Edited 9 hours ago by Ishanga

[integral]

11 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Hatha Yoga can help with this, and if they can't do that Upa Yoga... Ppl can do things to improve their lives even is they have some sort of disability or pain problem, but if they just give up and say there is nothing to do about it then that is the truth for them.. For some there is nothing to do about it, the situation is too extreme... Victor Frankl spent years in a concentration camp, he came out of it better than when he went in, everybody can do this to a certain extent, its just a matter of willingness. One cannot just look at the worst examples and say this is the way it is, there are too many variables, first one has to make a decision, is this the way it is going to be the rest of my life or am I able to make a change step by step? Make the decision once then make a plan then execute the plan, going zig zag, back and forth, doing the plan one day, not doing it the next is the worst thing to do and is what most are doing hence they have what they have in life...

I agree with this, the statements I made assumed the person was already doing all of this.

If someone has a self development mindset there going to work with the problem indefinitely for the rest of their life. Slowly making discoveries and progress but it is such a massive burden and derailment of one's life. Most people and spiritually inclined do not need to go down this path, it is very difficult.

The loss of State that I was talking about is when it's not avoidable regardless of everything you're doing.

With a mature routine that aims to maximize your daily State you'll still have this burden you have to deal with for life.

The average person doesn't have to deal with the worst case scenarios. But past 60 years old in general most people will experience immense suffering because they did not study consciousness when they had the chance.

Edited 9 hours ago by integral

[integral]

Even if you study Consciousness for 10 years it is going to be shocking when you lose that premium state afford to you by biology.

[gengar]

40 minutes ago, integral said:

 Example: You wake up everyday in chronic pain. 

The body is not working properly in various ways. And there's no solution. That is now your life. Permanently.

The quality of every moment of your life is affected by this. Every experience you have is Tainted for life.

What happens is then you're forced learn to not care that you're suffering. And be okay with it.

While a normal person is living and bathing in premium biology and natural hormonal drugs that they have no idea is even happening.

And when you lose these natural drugs your body is flooding your system with, you experience a brutal soberness to life. 

There is no Grand Awakening and enlightenment to alleviate this, it's always going to be hard until you die.

You're only allowed to sit there and Bliss out if your body gives you the drugs to do so. You need premium biology to be blissing out.

Interesting. Do you hold the position that biology is ultimately imagined though, and that it theoretically could be changed with the mind? (And i mean theoretically quite literally; i am not asking whether it is actually feasable for humans to do this, its quite clear that its not)

I love your no-bullshit approach, just wondering how it fits in to idealism and non dualism and the like.

Edited 9 hours ago by gengar

[Thought Art]

Event just a little jaunt through the subway in Montreal is a good reminder to take care of your health, mind, finances. There are some horrors who wonder around down there.

[integral]

28 minutes ago, gengar said:

Interesting. Do you hold the position that biology is ultimately imagined though, and that it theoretically could be changed with the mind? (And i mean theoretically quite literally; i am not asking whether it is actually feasable for humans to do this, its quite clear that its not)

I love your no-bullshit approach, just wondering how it fits in to idealism and non dualism and the like.

It is imaginary but it has been imagined so it cannot be changed through the finite mind.

The more imaginary something is, the more Rock Solid it is.

There is likely going to be a revolution in science that will make the current scientific paradigm look like a joke. Where deeper layers of this dream can be controlled by this finite ego mind in the magical way that you're sort of alluding to. Or not.

Edited 8 hours ago by integral

[integral]

37 minutes ago, gengar said:

Interesting. Do you hold the position that biology is ultimately imagined though, and that it theoretically could be changed with the mind? (And i mean theoretically quite literally; i am not asking whether it is actually feasable for humans to do this, its quite clear that its not)

I love your no-bullshit approach, just wondering how it fits in to idealism and non dualism and the like.

Leo wrote this a while ago you might enjoy it.

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Everything is imaginary, but some things are more imaginary than others.

A horse and a unicorn are both imaginary, but a horse is more imaginary than a unicorn. YES! MORE imaginary than a unicorn. The only reason you cannot sit on a unicorn and ride off into the sunset is because you don't know how to imagine a unicorn as deeply as you imagine a horse.

Sounds crazy, but that's how it is.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by integral

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, gengar said:

You don't think that every human, including Christians, are secretly subconsciously aware of the truth of oneness, and therefore always repressing and scared of it?

No. They are as clueless as rats and just go about survival by any means their rat minds can scheme together.

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I guess what I meant is that if reality dreams forever, there is a perfect balance between nightmares and dreams, both going on infinitely.

Doesn't have to be a balance. What you consider nightmares is your own judgment and projection.

8 hours ago, gengar said:

@Leo Gura btw, do you think I am doing proper contemplation here like you assigned us in the latest perspectives video, or am I not? Are my questions high or low quality?

It's hard for me to tell.

But keep contemplating.

Keep your contemplations grounded in direct experience, not wild speculations about the afterlife. That is not good contemplation.

Edited 33 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Keep your contemplations grounded in direct experience, not wild speculations about the afterlife. That is not good contemplation.

Except we already know what happens when you die, you reincarnate.

[Leo Gura]

Just now, The Crocodile said:

Except we already know what happens when you die, you reincarnate.

Fantasies.

You know not.

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Fantasies.

You know not.

No, you can scientifically know for a fact with logic, reason, and empiricism that it's real.

It's just that all the horrible problems you fantasize about would dry up, if you knew and admitted it was real.

[The Crocodile]

GET BACK IN HERE.

Watch tis.

All the way through.

He speaks with absolute knowledge.

[Something Funny]

8 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

No, you can scientifically know for a fact with logic, reason, and empiricism that it's real.

How?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

GET BACK IN HERE.

Watch tis.

All the way through.

He speaks with absolute knowledge.

He is not Awake.

Stop quoting him.

You spread BS on this forum like a devil.

Edited 12 minutes ago by Leo Gura