Is Happiness Conditional Or Unconditional?

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

He is not Awake.

Reincarnation is a relative reality thing. It has got nothing necessarily to do with Awakening, like a toaster.

You're like saying that zoology can't possibly exist, because the zoologist is not awake, or that toasters aren't real because the guy who designed or sold toasters is not awake. Or that chemicals aren't real because chemists are not awake.

Saying that reincarnation is real is like saying trump is a devil.

If you can actually scientifically, logically, or experientially fault any of Tom's knowledge on this then you would have a point.

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You spread BS on this forum like a devil.

said The Devil.

In this video he addresses the, "How do you think you can know that? You're just bullshitting and making shit up," accusation.

[Girzo]

13 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

In this video he addresses the, "How do you think you can know that? You're just bullshitting and making shit up," accusation.

Unskillfully. His whole argument depends on accepting that his out of body experiences work like he imagines them to do. He has basically no argument, he just wants you to believe oobe is not his own fantasy, personal dream. Believing random shit is bad epistemology. If he seriously questioned that he might be stuck up in his own imaginations, fantasies, then that would be worthwhile to listen to. But it's the opposite, he does everything to dodge serious contemplation, just shares his Dungeons & Dragons-like narratives.

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Girzo said:

Unskillfully. His whole argument depends on accepting that his out of body experiences work like he imagines them to do. He has basically no argument, he just wants you to believe oobe is not his own fantasy, personal dream. Believing random shit is bad epistemology. If he seriously questioned that he might be stuck up in his own imaginations, fantasies, then that would be worthwhile to listen to. But it's the opposite, he does everything to dodge serious contemplation, just shares his Dungeons & Dragons-like narratives.

No, if you can remote view a specific number like 163647383735019939 on a chalkboard and get it right that's a scientific claim.

Which carries over to the rest of how the information works.

Also if two people have an oobe and see and hear the same things, that's an empirical claim.

[Girzo]

1 minute ago, The Crocodile said:

No, if you can remote view a specific number like 163647383735019939 on a chalkboard and get it right that's a scientific claim.

Can you personally?

1 minute ago, The Crocodile said:

Which carries over to the rest of how the information works.

Nope, it's a big jump from predicting a number on a chalkboard and then constructing a grand narrative of how after-life works. Empirically the only thing you and I have is his rambling. That's not scientific proof. 

[Yimpa]

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Girzo said:

Nope, it's a big jump from predicting a number on a chalkboard and then constructing a grand narrative of how after-life works. Empirically the only thing you and I have is his rambling. That's not scientific proof. 

If you can see how to retrieve the information, there's a commonality of process. If you access the number one way the information about the nonphysical post-deaths states so and so connected to the physical is accessed the same way, it's the same principle. Remote viewing something inside the physical universe is not any different from remote viewing something outside the physical universe. Remote viewing a tree, and remote viewing what consciousness does after death, is the same thing.

If you can see for yourself what happens in the incarnative process then you can see what happens, just like how you can see the physical world for yourself, you don't need to question if the physical world is "really happening" since obviously it's a process that's happening, the nonphysical part is just a larger context you can also directly observe to be true.

Also a lack of reincarnation would be horribly inefficient and just not make any sense.

[gettoefl]

11 hours ago, gengar said:

You don't think that every human, including Christians, are secretly subconsciously aware of the truth of oneness, and therefore always repressing and scared of it?

For me, it was extremely challenging to grok it and took me years to accept. I even considered religion simply for this fact, that it denies oneness and offers a way out of the horrors of reality. It almost cost me my mind. But maybe I am unique in that.

And with ultimate liberation I mean God liberating himself ultimately, outside of the confines of illusions of human life or any creature life. I dont mean some buddhist fantasy. Essentially I mean Mahasamadhi, something you even said you were close to, I believe in the 30 day 5-meo video. You said Mahasamadhi was the end of reality forever.

"There is no devil.

There is only Good. But everyone is too selfish to care."

Beautifully said.

I guess what I meant is that if reality dreams forever, there is a perfect balance between nightmares and dreams, both going on infinitely.

Step one is to understand the ego.

It desires the universe, the separated reality, to exist forever.

Even Leo subscribes to eternal dreaming as the truth.

Ego will do everything to ensure this continuance and it does a magnificent job at it.

Key is keep everyone asleep, since if you are not separated from me then I am not separated from you and whoops.

Withhold love at end turn or in fact promote a fake form of love that will bring ownership, and control and sleepiness.

Ego loves to hate and hates to love while truth loves to love and hates to hate.

Ego is a tricky, slippery, devious little terrorizer but eminently comprehendible.

Contemplate on such and self enquire deeply into the machinations of the ego in order to have a chance to defeat them

Edited 11 hours ago by gettoefl

[UnbornTao]

Even the nature of life is unknown to us, let alone a presumed afterlife. Notice that these are being taken for granted as already-grasped, and from that, more conclusions follow. 

Edited 2 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Jwayne]

On 1/15/2025 at 1:46 PM, Nito said:

I've been a stressed out, anxious, overthinker, and very unpassionate person this past year, and so I decided to watch Leo's recent video on happiness to learn how to become happier.

In the video he claims that happiness is conditional i.e: you need certain conditions to be happy e.g: you can't be happy if you have bad relationships in your life/you can't be happy just sitting in a room meditating all day... and this makes a lot of sense to me

However, I've also been watching Leo's older videos on meditation and mastering your emotions and Leo always used to say that meditation and mastering your emotions will allow you to be happy without needing anything.

After finally getting serious with meditiation and mastering my emotions recently I feel so amazing which makes me seriously unsure what is true... whether happiness is conditional or not.

It really makes sense to me that happiness would be unconditional since if Leo used to say these kinds of things about meditation and mastering your emotions, means that he was experiencing that "unconditonal happiness", meaning it was real?

Apologises if this post doesn't make much sense, it's my first time making a post on any forum for a long long time, appreciate the replies I get! 

You're not going to be healthy just by repeating quotes of Seneca, if that's what you mean.

And if you're not healthy, you're going to suffer physiological problems (i.e. illness)

Much of our mental and 'spiritual' suffering is physiological (psycho-somatic) Our happiness also depends on our physical state.

So happiness, practically speaking, depends upon the conditions of your life. This is obvious. Nobody is happy when they're stressed, in pain and suffering in their job and relationships.

The myth of a transcendentally blissful state acquired by sitting meditation that can erase all of life's problems is very dangerous. It makes for a vicious cycle of repression and self-deception.

[gengar]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. They are as clueless as rats and just go about survival by any means their rat minds can scheme together.

Doesn't have to be a balance. What you consider nightmares is your own judgment and projection.

1. But you said in the "what is reality" video that everybody deep down knows that everything is imaginary.

 

2. But when God is inside a nightmare and projecting suffering on that nightmare, isn't the projection absolute? If God projects something, there is nothing outside of it to say it is not absolute. If God dreams itself as a schizophrenic patient and imagines all kinds of nightmares, at that moment the nightmares and suffering are absolute. God is projecting it, but if he's the only reality, how can you relativize that and say it is mere projection, as if there is "stuff behond the scenes"? The dream is absolute, correct?

[gengar]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Fantasies.

You know not.

But isn't reincarnation the same as saying; God will dream forever?

 

From watching my own direct experience for 10 minutes I can see that all is impermanent and forms are ever changing. From this observation, plus the observation that consciousness is invincible and eternal (which i have observed) reincarnation would be the conclusion.

[Princess Arabia]

The mind is what wants to be happy. How does one become happy? Neutral circumstances and experiences. Are circumstances and experiences happy "themselves"? No. Where does the happiness comes from. How one perceives and interprets those circumstances. A happy state comes and goes; so does circumstances and experiences. So, to conclude, happiness is a state of mind and is conditional. It's relative and doesn't really exist but only in the mind. Chasing after happiness is like chasing birds because we never know what will appear in life. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, Jwayne said:

You're not going to be healthy just by repeating quotes of Seneca, if that's what you mean.

And if you're not healthy, you're going to suffer physiological problems (i.e. illness)

Much of our mental and 'spiritual' suffering is physiological (psycho-somatic) Our happiness also depends on our physical state.

So happiness, practically speaking, depends upon the conditions of your life. This is obvious. Nobody is happy when they're stressed, in pain and suffering in their job and relationships.

The myth of a transcendentally blissful state acquired by sitting meditation that can erase all of life's problems is very dangerous. It makes for a vicious cycle of repression and self-deception.

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[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, gengar said:

But isn't reincarnation the same as saying; God will dream forever?

Maybe God won't dream forever.

Be careful what you assume.

[RightHand]

I feel like 'happy' is one of those words I can toss out of my self-talk vocabulary; it's vague and sloppy. Conditional happiness can be better expressed as 'things are working out for me.', all of a sudden I go from this flimsy emotion to LIFE, UNDERSTANDING, CURIOSITY.

 

(I am parroting Ralston)

 

(We need a video on language)

Edited 2 hours ago by RightHand

[Ishanga]

I remember watching this the first time, and it blew me away.. he mentions it at around the 2:46 mark, and he says "Your just dismissing the most fundamental quality of Your Life, Happiness is not a State of Mind, its the fundamental Quality of Your Life".. 

I interpret this too mean that nothing significant will happen in Your Life, Experientially especially unless Your fundamentally Happy, or able to Consciously control Your Inner Experience and Environment, otherwise Your just a slave to outside situations or genetics or memory/karma at play. 

The whole idea or purpose of Us being here is too use Free Will, the Ability to Respond, to determine the Quality of Your Life on a personal level, forget about Enlightenment, Realization, Absolute if this is not Established within You Already.. Too many here take Happiness and Well Being too lightly, but when it is not available to You then You will know what it means!!!