Is Happiness Conditional Or Unconditional?

[Nito]

@Buck Edwards Hey yeah that's a really good way to put it tbf, ty for the explanation

[gengar]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They hold dogma and delusion.

Their view is not how God works.

The position is to do serious inquiry and question everything until you jailbreak your mind from all human things and realize God.

In practical terms, live your life wisely to minimize self-inflicted suffering from dumb decisions, such as smoking, drinking, texting while driving, swimming with crocodiles, etc.

Nothing about my work changes the common sense notion of living in a way that minimizes harm to yourself and others. Whether God exists or not doesn't change this. You must live very carefully either way.

For you to be happy in life you must design your life around your top values. If your top values are being violated you will never be happy.

They hold dogma and delusion, but realizing truth is accepting the horrors, which is why they continue to hold on.

Disappointing how you are dancing around the deep point of accepting oneness and how radical it is, plus its implications for society, and that the only reason you are able to reach high perspectives is because low perspectives are keeping society from collapsing totally.

So according to you, realizing God is the liberation from the horrors of reality, similar to Hindu Moksha?

I don't really care about the practical happiness tips, moreso about practical happiness for keeping myself away from realities' horrors after the death of the body. There is only so much you can suffer here on earth. What happens after is what worries me much more.

Thanks for your answering.

[Nito]

23 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Yes and No.. The only Basic Condition to be in a constant state of Peace, Happiness or Bliss is a HIgh Level of Consciousness.. What this means is Your Living mostly in the NOW, not ruled by the Past/Memory (this takes away all trauma, and is multi leveled), or Future/Imagination, You still use these faculties but they don't rule You, You rule them, most ppl are Ruled by their Memory and Imaginations..  Your Completely Accepting of What Is, this stops all Stress Response, you cannot be Accepting and Stressed out, only when You are Resisting What Is does the Stress Response happen..Next is Responding to Life rather than Reacting, this means You Respond to whatever is happening in Your Life Equally, rather than to just what You Like or Love, if You do this then the Intensity of Your Life Experience will increase vastly..  As well Your Internal Energies (Kundalini) has to be actively Intense and centered in the higher up Chakras..

Once those things are inplace You are Blissful of Your own nature, this doesn't mean Your incapable of Pain or even Suffering, it just means it is Your Choice of How to Experience Life in any given Moment, if You want to be Happy You can, and its unconditional, not dependent on any External Event... 

I see so you'd really agree with Eckhart Tolle then that accepting the present and being in full presence is basically how to get away from suffering, since suffering doesn't exist in the present?

And is it ok if you explain to me what it means to respond rather than react. From my understanding, response is where you are conscious vs reacting which is unconscious? But how does this work with happiness and what you was saying?

And ngl i have no knowledge of kundalini and chakras, but if you can give me a 1 line summary of that, it'd be appreciated haha

Ty for your comment

[Nito]

@NewKidOnTheBlock I see ty for that explanation, have you got any tips of becomign aware of how my emotions are running my life?

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, gengar said:

They hold dogma and delusion, but realizing truth is accepting the horrors, which is why they continue to hold on.

Of course. And so what?

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Disappointing how you are dancing around the deep point of accepting oneness and how radical it is, plus its implications for society, and that the only reason you are able to reach high perspectives is because low perspectives are keeping society from collapsing totally.

Of course low perspectives are necessary for society to exist. That's why they exist.

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So according to you, realizing God is the liberation from the horrors of reality, similar to Hindu Moksha?

Not liberation. The horrors are just part of reality. You have no choice in the matter. You can accept them or resist them, doesn't change the matter.

You are looking for some kind of magic feel-good solution and I offer you nothing.

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I don't really care about the practical happiness tips, moreso about practical happiness for keeping myself away from realities' horrors after the death of the body.

You shouldn't be worried about that all since you don't know what death entails.

You are worried about fantasies.

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[Nito]

@Leo Gura That's one way to scare me haha. Guess you do just gotta cherish every moment of it, can't argue with that.

[Nito]

@Thetruthseeker Yeah he did i was just curious since in his older videos he shows that you can be very happy from meditation, tho I guess it is true that he wasnt in a warzone or anything like that. 

[Nito]

@gettoefl im new to spirituality and philosophy so your language hurt my brain haha, no offence 

[Nito]

@UnbornTao By happiness im basically talking about fulfillment/feeling full and whole in life as I put it

[Nito]

@Xonas Pitfall Great comment, this really clears things up for me, thank you for this. 

[Nito]

@integral Yeah I think i agree with that haha

[Nito]

@charlie cho Hey I can't message you but am curious about curing myself of the impurities with the hints you've got!

[gengar]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. And so what?

Of course low perspectives are necessary for society to exist. That's why they exist.

Not liberation. The horrors are just part of reality. You have no choice in the matter. You can accept them or resist them, doesn't change the matter.

You are looking for some kind of magic feel-good solution and I offer you nothing.

You shouldn't be worried about that all since you don't know what death entails.

You are worried about fantasies.

Interesting.

I am not looking for a feel good solution.

Just the truth.

If it is unavoidable to face the total set of potential things, including all horrors, I accept that. I just want to know the truth so I can face reality with the least amount of delusion  possible.

But if there would be a path to ultimate liberation, then of course I would want to work towards that.

Whatever the pinaccle of reality is is what I am after.

It scares me though, to think there is no way out, no matter what you do, I admit that.

About the Christians, I just think in the lower perspectives video you put way more emphasis on the stupidity of humans keeping them locked in lower perspectives, instead of highlighting that it is the denial of horrors that keeps them deluded. 

I guess that is why Christians go to be Atheists and vice versa, both whom have a delusion to keep themselves from the horrors; one heaven, and the other the oblivion of death, which are both delusions.

 

 

[gengar]

@Leo Gura

Ironically your view of reality is pretty Zoroastrian, since you are practically saying that God will never defeat the devil, but that they are equal forces.

Edited 14 hours ago by gengar

[Vynce]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. And so what?

Of course low perspectives are necessary for society to exist. That's why they exist.

Not liberation. The horrors are just part of reality. You have no choice in the matter. You can accept them or resist them, doesn't change the matter.

You are looking for some kind of magic feel-good solution and I offer you nothing.

You shouldn't be worried about that all since you don't know what death entails.

You are worried about fantasies.

My biggest fear is literally that some day you gonna pull "The Ultimate Course of Black Pilling" on us and I can't find anything wrong in it.

[Ishanga]

42 minutes ago, Nito said:

I see so you'd really agree with Eckhart Tolle then that accepting the present and being in full presence is basically how to get away from suffering, since suffering doesn't exist in the present?

And is it ok if you explain to me what it means to respond rather than react. From my understanding, response is where you are conscious vs reacting which is unconscious? But how does this work with happiness and what you was saying?

And ngl i have no knowledge of kundalini and chakras, but if you can give me a 1 line summary of that, it'd be appreciated haha

Ty for your comment

I would say the Human Body/Mechanism is designed to be Happy all the time, everything about You is optimized when Your in Pleasant experience (naturally that is), your Body, Mind, Intellect, Creativity, Lovingness, Clarity, everything flows much better when Your in Pleasant/Happy/Blissful Experience..

What I wrote is just the set up for it, those conditions pretty well have to be inplace for one to be constantly Blissful.  Blissfulness is not an Emotion, its a State, and if one can be in a constant Depressed State, then why can't one be in a constant Blissful State, both are possible, accepting, living Now and REsponding vs Reacting are the foundations, plus the rising of the Kundalini which is like the manisfestation of the Life Intelligence within You, the Chakras are the stations where the nadis or connecting points to the Energy system meet, the higher up the latter you go from the base Chakra to the Crown Chakra the more intense life is for that person, the person where the Energy is rooted in the base Chakra is all about Sleep and Food, the person that has it based in the Crown Chakra is experiencing Ecstasy at anytime, they will not care about family, friends or even their own body, they just experience the most intense pleasure that is possible for a human being...

[integral]

There's two kinds of responses those that come from people who suffered in a normal way and had normal struggles throughout life but managed to get through life and succeed or are still struggling but it's basically within the degrees of acceptable expected struggles of life. This is the spiritual New Age camp.

And then there's people that experienced immense endless Relentless suffering and they had to do everything imaginable to survive and fix their debilitating issues, and have a very clear understanding that life is utterly brutal and whatever hard struggle you had before was Child's Play.

Most of you have no idea how bad life gets. You're living with premium biology and have absolutely no understanding of that. Your entirely high on biology and don't understand that you are, you take absolutely all of it for granted. And all of your struggles pale in comparison to the real thing.

It's like when you see a teenager struggling with growing up crisis and offended by everything. That's 99.99% of adults who have not woken up yet. Everyone is having a crisis before the ship even sunk. When the ship sinks you'll know what a real crisis is.

Edited 13 hours ago by integral

[gengar]

4 minutes ago, integral said:

There's two kinds of responses those that come from people who suffered in a normal way and had normal struggles throughout life but managed to get through life and succeed or are still struggling but it's basically within the degrees of acceptable expected struggles of life. This is the spiritual New Age camp.

And then there's people that experienced immense endless Relentless suffering and they had to do everything imaginable to survive and fix their debilitating issues, and have a very clear understanding that life is utterly brutal and whatever hard struggle you had before was Child's Play.

Most of you have no idea how bad life gets. You're living with premium biology and have absolutely no understanding of that. Your entirely high on biology and don't understand that you are, you take absolutely all of it for granted. And all of your struggles pale in comparison to the real thing.

It's like when you see a teenager struggling with growing up crisis and offended by everything. That's 99.99% of adults who have not woken up yet. Everyone is having a crisis before the ship even sunk. When the ship sinks you'll know what a real crisis is.

What do you mean specifically with "the real thing"?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

Interesting.

I am not looking for a feel good solution.

Just the truth.

If it is unavoidable to face the total set of potential things, including all horrors, I accept that. I just want to know the truth so I can face reality with the least amount of delusion  possible.

If you care about truth just do the inquiry work and see where it takes you. Don't try to jump to the anwser because it requires the journey.

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But if there would be a path to ultimate liberation, then of course I would want to work towards that.

If you want something like that then you need to go sit alone in a room for a few months straight and see how far you get.

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It scares me though, to think there is no way out, no matter what you do, I admit that.

The way out of what?

God will dream forever.

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About the Christians, I just think in the lower perspectives video you put way more emphasis on the stupidity of humans keeping them locked in lower perspectives, instead of highlighting that it is the denial of horrors that keeps them deluded.

Most people are not thinking of any horrors, they are just being selfish and ignorant and parroting memes they heard.

It's not like a Christian is conscious of the horrors of life. They are acting out some fantasy they heard.

1 hour ago, gengar said:

@Leo Gura

Ironically your view of reality is pretty Zoroastrian, since you are practically saying that God will never defeat the devil, but that they are equal forces.

There is no devil.

There is only Good. But everyone is too selfish to care.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Nito said:

@UnbornTao By happiness im basically talking about fulfillment/feeling full and whole in life as I put it

Do you think that something external to you could bring that about?