Higher vs Lower Perspectives/Mind

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Is that really an absolute fact of the matter? Seems like a blanket statement that lacks nuance and research on Bidens policy and it effects on everyday Americans.

Biden did some pretty good things for infrastructure, gun safety and jobs-all in which were non partisan that the majority of people in the US benefited from.

Of course the majority voters don’t care about any of this, culture war issues are more sexy for lower minds.

Yes that's true.  And you're right we shouldn't blame the cruddy economy and inflation on Biden.  And all the illegal immigrants flooding the country.   It had nothing to do with the current administration i guess.  But still things aren't real good right now and like I said people wanted change just like they wanted it in 2020.  Things will be different again in 4 years we will have to see how it goes.  But it is pointless to sit here and freak everyone out (especially for guys like @Hardkill who has taken this very hard).  

If someone really wants to try and make a difference then get into politics themselves.   Sitting on the sidelines and then fear mongering doesn't really do anything to help the situation. 

It's no different than spirituality where people can take these things and turn them into beliefs and then get suicidal over them.   It's not worth it.

Edited January 15 by Inliytened1

[gengar]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Oneness in a practical word is non-judgementalism because everyone around me is a perfect conglomeration, doing what they need to do and doing the best they can to do it. Would I criticize my own left foot for being wicked because it rashly stubbed my toe when I was out walking this afternoon?

Everyone is my long lost limb living loving leaching loathing as they need to the best they know how.

Judge not is to restore oneness.

Judging not also means not judging a rapist when he rapes your mother. Are you really up for that? That was my point.

[gettoefl]

9 minutes ago, gengar said:

Judging not also means not judging a rapist when he rapes your mother. Are you really up for that? That was my point.

Contemplate that all rapists are doing the best they can and have to do but what they do just like you do the best you can at being you. Could you do any different? And ask yourself what level of rapist exists within you? Could you ever be accused of not asking for consent?

Edited January 15 by gettoefl

[gengar]

14 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Contemplate that all rapists are doing the best they can and have to do but what they do just like you do the best you can at being you. Could you do any different? And ask yourself what level of rapist exists within you? Could you ever be accused of not asking for consent?

Easier said than done

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, gengar said:

Easier said than done

Agreed. Therein is the work. If we see it outside, we have created it within right?

[RendHeaven]

14 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

General stupidity and ignorance of the people (added on with social media algorithms and toxic online echo chambers/memes)

You think this was an accident?

[Javfly33]

@Spiral Wizard Is not a bad observation. I think is good to talk in terms of Spectrum instead of higher and lower.

You can be closer or further from Truth.

Of course in an absolute Truth-Samadhi state you might not open your eyes and just die right there, so in that case Truth is anti-survival. 

But those are mystical states of Truth. 

There are also states of Being very grounded in Truth where you can involve yourself in the world completely functional. So is not like Truth incapacitates you.

[TheAlchemist]

A Nazi can be a Nietzschean but Nietzsche cannot be a Nazi. Nazism is a later development but a lower perspective.

Edited Thursday at 12:04 PM by TheAlchemist

[Spiral Wizard]

On 15/01/2025 at 4:14 AM, Leo Gura said:

Your perspective overlooks the lies that undergird society. The purpose of my quote was to point that out, since everyone misses it.

It takes a lot of work just to see how untruthful society is, and deliberately so.

This talk of love and gentle living is not how society works.

@Leo Gura do you mind responding to the main points I raised in the initial thread post? I don’t think your reply addressed those. 
 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:57 PM by Spiral Wizard

[Spiral Wizard]

On 15/01/2025 at 9:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

See Elon Musk for a perfect example. He honestly believes that he's not corrupt and that he's creating a net positive for the world, even though he is the epitome of corruption.

The point of doing this work we do -- of understanding corruption -- is that it's necessary to truly do good. Otherwise you become a mini Elon Musk.

Being good is harder than it seems. Which is why we do this work. To be good you must escape self-deception.

Very true. However the common cause & solution of Self Deception is much simpler than this.

Consider this pointer to the root problem so that you may refine & deepen your solution: it’s impossible to do Good or undo Self Deception until the ego is dissolved or in balance with being. I know you said this before but what is the ego and how to dissolve is the key difference. It’s not just about deconstruction on the mental/contemplative & consciousness level but also about dissolving its core on the emotional/pain/resistance level. This is both the residue/result (which is conditioning) of previous ego living stored in the body & also the cause of ego in the first place. 

Self deception is literally the natural result of ignorance. However, ignorance is not just a lack of education or contemplation. This is the mental level. However, as mentioned, there’s another level on which this definition applies: Ignorance also entails ignoring something. What are we essentially ignoring/avoiding/RESISTING? Of course, there is only one thing, essentially: pain. Pain in all of its forms: pain is usually some sort of thread to our survival, difficult situations, and reactions/resistance to that which turns into hate, anger, frustration, depression, sadness, grief, etc. etc. etc.

Why is that? Because pain is the sensation of annahilation. Annahilation of our identity which is trying to survive. So we resist pain, which turns it into emotions, which stirr up thoughts, stories, and ideologies we cling to because these mental fixations are how we chronically realist/avoid/ignore facing the pain, leaving us in ignorance. This is also the very process that creates separation from the flow of life. Rending us incapable of aligning with the truth and doing Good. 

A mind will never be able to predict all of consequences and calculate what’s Good. It will also keep attracting self sabotaging & dysfunctional circumstances until the subconscious pain is processed. Only then will our subconscious even allow us to see the Truth/Good/Tao/Neutrality and naturally live it. 

So resistance to pain is the problem, it is ignorance, self deception & suffering. 

And processing pain is the solution, it is annahilation/death and results in rebirth/clarity/healing/oneness/liberation of greater energy & consciousness. This then natrurally elevates and raises our perspective, whereas beforehand it was an uphill battle, a fight against ourselves and others. A conflict, an opportunity to be with our pain and raise our consciousness until the conflict evaporates and resolves itself. Realigning us with what’s meant to be right now.

That is True Good, bought to us not by our will but by our annahilation so that we may be neutrally/empty and serve as a channel for God to do Good through us. 

The significance and truth of this won’t be apparent until it’s experienced. Of course, the ego-mind will also play many tricks and not take this seriously or deny it to have us not come in contact with our annahilating pain. 

That is the nature and game of Self Deception. 

God Speed.

Edited Saturday at 06:28 PM by Spiral Wizard

[VeganAwake]

12 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

our annahilating pain. 

Wow, you could help people as a therapist.

Very interesting,

Here there wasn't much backlash/annihilation pain or at least it wasn't long lived.

It was clearly seen that the self construct or ego-mind construct was simply never real from the start.....it only seemed to be

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

On 14/1/2025 at 11:38 PM, Spiral Wizard said:

wanna be free, be me

Be the only being that I see

Not to rise and not to fall

Be at one with love and all

There is no high, no low

There is nowhere else to go

Except inside within your heart

And be just who you are

Pachamama, I'm coming home

To the place where I belong’

All that is great until the children start to starve and you haven't eaten for 4 days, then you pick up a weapon. Holiness, the higher mind, implies that this world is indifferent to you, you don't live on earth, life and death are the same, your path is the cosmic path and at this stage you only want to cleanse your karma, open your spirit and not stain yourself with human corruption. This is absolutely incompatible with social evolution.

Life is based on war and predation, your tribe comes first, others are irrelevant. Everything is very easy when you are rich, but if you are in the caves things change.

[Terell Kirby]

@Leo Gura Just thinking- thoughts about creating a Mega Thread-Examples of Low & High Perspectives? There are so many examples to pick from on the Internet-I think it'll be a good supplemental exercise to bounce off of the homework from the previous video.

[kavaris]

Underbelly versus Overlords

The second two paragraphs are most important, imo, but some should maybe read the first parts too...

Alot of threads are predicating things from a love & light perspective. Start from disaster, and work up from there, that way its reflective of the kindve-chaos situation we find ourselves in, and then we really wont have to argue (only a handful of us) assuming we get there... Beyond the fact, that we still want to try getting things right—which is another long complicated journey, cause we are faced w/ exchanging words, trying to get an idea of what thoughts feel a certain way, if they align w/ this person and not that—if theres more to a word, more to the story, more to a person, or if its better left unsaid (!!! that stuff is hard...)

What i was tryina say is, that we should go through a list of words that are more specifically pointing to higher perspectives and the same for the lower ones.... I started yous with: ego, lust and impatience, for the lower perspective issues... That way its more of like, a primordial ooze of issues that slip through the hands, that we have to try making a gooey snowman or some semblance out of. We can build off of anything, but its just a matter of it catching or attaching to the web of ideas slingin' around.

It might be easier to start with like, "things we kind of understand, but are like still sitting on the shelves...", like i wanna know what a psychedelic experience even is... however, that really doesnt quite help, because then we are asking about the interpretation... So its better to ask about like, "the language that psychedelics are speaking, and the ignorance that is then being draped over them...", that's ostensibly speaking, alot to unpack, but yous will figure it out...

At some point though, its gonna be pointed out that, "only YOU" type thing.. Where, its like, if you dont grab your own imagination by the horns, its gonna run off to frolick in the fields and pastures without consent. and hey, we can only try our best—i mean, it would be weird if every message after, we just continuously said "only YOU", seeing as ppl might take it as a meme. Thats alot to digdug through, but i believe in yas

Edited 1 hour ago by kavaris

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

@Leo Gura Just thinking- thoughts about creating a Mega Thread-Examples of Low & High Perspectives? There are so many examples to pick from on the Internet-I think it'll be a good supplemental exercise to bounce off of the homework from the previous video.

Yeah, it's a great idea. I will be making a deep catalogue of various perspectives for the future anyway.