Higher vs Lower Perspectives/Mind

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

What you really need to start teaching is that survival must incorporate corruption to some degree.  But then the definitin of corruption becomes relative.   What is corruption? You tell me first and then i can tell you if we all must fall into it.  Because I already know that you can't escape certain a degree of corruption.  Your innocence is assaulted on birth.  After that you will be tainted.  After that it comes down to what degree you are corrupt.

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Yea this. 

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What's wrong with oligarchy and kleptocracy?

People are myopic, not thinking through the long-term consequences of their actions and decisions. They take a short-term gain at long-term loss.

I expect humanity to be corrupt pigs.

You'll need to make a video on morality versus survival bias in the future. That's an important cognitive dissonance that a lot of people have to sort through. And you said in the past that you'll make morality related videos this year. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What you really need to start teaching is that survival must incorporate corruption to some degree... Because I already know that you can't escape a certain degree of corruption.

That is correct. I will address that at some point.

It's a question of how much corruption does one want to tolerate?

This is a very advanced topic.

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[Buck Edwards]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

short-term gain at long-term loss.

Short term gain is for individual survival. Long term loss is for society. I'm sure you look at short term gains too. In life there are no short cuts to money and success. Have to step on some toes sometimes. 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

It's a question of how much corruption does one want to tolerate?

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Thats where relativity truly shines.

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura I personally don't know if awakening is in the cards for me in my life. I don't know if I have the appetite for that. Though I have been in pursuit, and will continue to be in pursuit of consciousness work, shamanic breathing, actualizing the books on your book list, etc. .. without going deep into awakening and just doing the best that one can do with your videos and additional resources, do you think its possible to first learn of what is good and what is corrupt, and then to pursue that and actually do more good for humanity than bad? If you could shine some light on this, I'm actually wanting to know. I'm just trying to see if its reasonable for us ordinary folk who follow your work, who may not be "balls to the walls" with consciousness work, but just pursue living a good life, pursue this work as best as we can, can create a net positive on the world. 

Also what exactly about Elon do you think makes him a net corrupt for the world? From my understanding so far he's producing cleaner energy cars for the environment, and wants to potentially save humanity by making us multi-planetary. Regarding AI, I think he's lying a lot, but I think there's a motivation to not want authoritarian powers like China to create AI first, like how we created nuclear first which protected the world. But on the other hand twitter has become an absolute shit show, a reflection of his mind, and the people on it. He supports MAGA and all the bad that causes. From what I hear from a family member, he's the worst boss and many many working at Tesla is a reflection of his mind as well. I'm just overall not sure what to make of all this though. Isn't it possible he's a net negative if he saves humanity? Or is he massively corrupt then for what he does to the societal mind. I'm just not so sure that answer is simple. 

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura I personally don't know if awakening is in the cards for me in my life. I don't know if I have the appetite for that. Though I have been in pursuit, and will continue to be in pursuit of consciousness work, shamanic breathing, actualizing the books on your book list, etc. .. without going deep into awakening and just doing the best that one can do with your videos and additional resources, do you think its possible to first learn of what is good and what is corrupt, and then to pursue that and actually do more good for humanity than bad? If you could shine some light on this, I'm actually wanting to know. I'm just trying to see if its reasonable for us ordinary folk who follow your work, who may not be "balls to the walls" with consciousness work, but just pursue living a good life, pursue this work as best as we can, can create a net positive on the world. 

Simplistically, yeah, you can just be less selfish and think more about the suffering your actions cause others.

That's the TLDR version.

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Also what exactly about Elon do you think makes him a net corrupt for the world? From my understanding so far he's producing cleaner energy cars for the environment, and wants to potentially save humanity by making us multi-planetary.

It's a complicated issue but my problem with him is that he has way too much power and is immature and narcissistic in how he wields it. He helped elect Trump and he is going to use this situation to further accumulate power by engaging in oligarchy.

The danger with him is that this tech-bro oligarchy situation is getting quite egregious and gross, which will lead to serious consequences eventually.

The monopolistic practices of these tech bro billionaires is antithetical to a healthy society.

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[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Simplistically, yeah, you can just be less selfish and think more about the suffering your actions cause others.

It's a complicated issue but my problem with him is that he has way too much power and is immature and narcissistic in how he wields it. He helped elect Trump and he is going to use this situation to further accumulate power by engaging in oligarchy.

The danger with him is that this tech-bro oligarchy situation is getting quite egregious and gross, which will lead to serious consequences eventually.

The monopolistic practices of these tech bro billionaires is antithetical to a healthy society.

I don't think it is about power.  The guy is ninth in Diablo.  He's a nerd.

 

[VeganAwake]

What authority declares what a higher or lower perspective even is?

Some overly happy brainwashed guru? 

Old scriptures from the diamond sutra?

The old testament?

A compilation of spiritual teachings?

How can there be a higher or lower anything, if there isn't an actual authority dictating it!

❤️ 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't think it is about power.

Are you kidding? He is a power-hungry freak. It's all about power.

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The guy is ninth in Diablo.

No he isn't. That is his scam.

And a nerd can still be power-hungry. All these tech bros are nerds, but they are also megalomaniacs and narcissists.

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[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

What authority declares what a higher or lower perspective even is?

Some overly happy brainwashed guru? 

Old scriptures from the diamond sutra?

The old testament?

A compilation of spiritual teachings?

How can there be a higher or lower anything, if there isn't an actual authority dictating it!

❤️ 

You didn't bother to do the contemplative work, so for you it is puzzling.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

I also like to imagine this lower vs higher like a mixing console. Some dials are low, some faders higher. It’s like all working together to create a symphony. God is this mixing console.

This insight is totally not original, I stole it, like every great producer does 

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You didn't even bother to do the contemplative work. So for you it is puzzling.

He's neo-advaitan.

[VeganAwake]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You didn't even bother to do the contemplative work. So for you it is puzzling.

Or it's puzzling because there isn't an answer that can be grasped or comprehended.

[Leo Gura]

Just now, VeganAwake said:

Or it's puzzling because there isn't an answer that can be grasped or comprehended.

Tis hard to comprehend a thing if one refuses to think.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Are you kidding? He is a power-hungry freak. It's all about power.

No he isn't. That is his scam.

And a nerd can still be power-hungry. All these tech bros are nerds, but they are also megalomaniacs and narcissists.

Yeah but your paranoid of an oligarchy.  Nothing is going to to happen.   It's still gonna be a democracy.

Edited 8 hours ago by Inliytened1

[VeganAwake]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Tis hard to comprehend a thing if one refuses to think.

Even if something was apparently comprehended, who would there be to compare it with to fact check the apparent comprehension?

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura gotchya, appreciate all the valuable insight and input

[Yimpa]

I think, therefore I am.

I don’t think, therefore I am not.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah but your paranoid of an oligarchy.  Nothing is going to to happen.   It's still gonna be a democracy.

You are being too complacent, taking democracy for granted.

Once you lose it, it will very hard to get it back.

Income inequality is a huge problem which will drive society to fascism.

Sticking your head in the sand while oligrachs run wild is not a solution.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura