Integration of Enlightenment into the Life

[Jwayne]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe you should go to the church and work as a volunteer with the homeless or anything, but this doesn't mean that that's the path of everyone. Some people need total isolation for a while to get deep into themselves, then when their being is totally open the relationship with the world will arrives naturally. .

Ah, and you could call clown to other people better, maybe to your mother would be a good idea, just a suggestion. 

Sure, spend time being alone as needed.

And also don't get stuck roleplaying digital identities as a substitute for your life offline.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

And also don't get stuck roleplaying digital identities as a substitute for your life offline

Why roleplaying? Sorry for the comment btw, I deleted later. Why do you put personal communication above virtual communication? In certain aspects, in the purely intellectual aspect, virtual communication is superior

[Jwayne]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Why roleplaying? Sorry for the comment btw, I deleted later. Why do you put personal communication above virtual communication? In certain aspects, in the purely intellectual aspect, virtual communication is superior

Virtual communication only has the advantage of closing distance. But it isn't faster or clearer. If you and I were to talk on the phone right now, we would have 1000x better information exchange and would also (in my experience) walk away on more satisfying terms.

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

Virtual communication only has the advantage of closing distance. But it isn't faster or clearer. If you and I were to talk on the phone right now, we would have 1000x better information exchange and would also (in my experience) walk away on more satisfying terms.

It also has the advantage that there is more time to think about what is said and that there is not such an obvious energy exchange, which makes cleaner communication possible in many aspects.

[Princess Arabia]

On 1/16/2025 at 1:16 PM, Adrian colby said:

back into the lived experience so that it becomes an effortless flow

Freedom doesn't care about effortless flow. That's a condition. Effortless or not, it's already that even if there's effort. You cannot control effort or effortless. Do you consider constipation an effortless flow? Constipation happens, right and can happen to the so-called enlightened. If you are constipated, that's not effortless flow. Well, we are all constipated looking for enlightenment. That's existential constipation. Looking to make life flow because you're contracted and traumatized thinking something is wrong with life and we need to fix it and then things will become effortless. Effort is a part of what is.

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Freedom doesn't care about effortless flow. That's a condition. Effortless or not, it's already that even if there's effort. You cannot control effort or effortless. Do you consider constipation an effortless flow? Constipation happens, right and can happen to the so-called enlightened. If you are constipated, that's not effortless flow. Well, we are all constipated looking for enlightenment. That's existential constipation. Looking to make life flow because you're contracted and traumatized thinking something is wrong with life and we need to fix it and then things will become effortless. Effort is a part of what is.

Just look at the air. Perfect harmony and example.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, James123 said:

Just look at the air. Perfect harmony and example.

How does one look at the air? Lol

[James123]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

How does one look at the air? Lol

Hell yeah, definitely. It does  NOT.

[VeganAwake]

It's just not a something to be applied or integrated.....It's not a method to be used or a way of perceiving reality.

It's every way, every perception, every method and every path. And in that sense it's simultaneously none of them!  Everything & Nothing!

It's all inclusive or all encompassing. 

The pathless path, wayless way, methodless method 🤣

If it could be integrated it would be duality or separate. 

Wholeness is already perfectly integrated 

❤️ 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's just not a something to be applied or integrated.....It's not a method to be used or a way of perceiving reality.

It's every way, every perception, every method and every path. And in that sense it's simultaneously none of them!  Everything & Nothing!

It's all inclusive or all encompassing. 

The pathless path, wayless way, methodless method 🤣

If it could be integrated it would be duality or separate. 

Wholeness is already perfectly integrated 

❤️ 

How do you know? Self is an illusion.

[VeganAwake]

22 hours ago, James123 said:

How do you know? Self is an illusion.

It's not known, but it seems to be recognized when the knower goes bye bye!

Seems that nothing seemingly recognizes this......it doesn't make logical sense, "I know" 🤣 

Unknowing/Unknowable 

❤️ 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Unknowing/Unknowable

Oh yeaaaaaaa. 

[Adrian colby]

On 17/01/2025 at 7:46 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Freedom doesn't care about effortless flow. That's a condition. Effortless or not, it's already that even if there's effort. You cannot control effort or effortless. Do you consider constipation an effortless flow? Constipation happens, right and can happen to the so-called enlightened. If you are constipated, that's not effortless flow. Well, we are all constipated looking for enlightenment. That's existential constipation. Looking to make life flow because you're contracted and traumatized thinking something is wrong with life and we need to fix it and then things will become effortless. Effort is a part of what is.

Thanks for responding and for sharing your interpretation. I notice that when you quoted my line, you removed “and no longer grasped” from the sentence, which changed its meaning and context. I don’t know if this was intentional to express something you were already thinking, not in context with what I was expressing, or if it was mistaken and you assumed I meant something else?

When I said “back to life in an effortless flow and no longer being grasped,” I was referring to the release of mental apprehension—letting go of the tension and resistance that constrict us. This isn’t about negating physical happenings, which occur regardless of our inner state, but about the mental patterns that amplify suffering.

I do appreciate your emphasis on the underlying reality and the unconditional nature of freedom. it’s an important perspective. However, I wonder if this skips over the ground from which someone who perceives themselves as trapped must start in order to untangle that mental mess. For someone caught in cycles of resistance or conditioned thinking, realizing that freedom begins with recognizing and releasing those traps.
Would you agree that, for someone still entangled in their mental constructs, acknowledging and working through those constructs is necessary before they can realize the freedom you describe?

This is the difference between suffering and injury, where suffering arises from mental apprehension while injury is simply something that happens. Injury doesn’t necessitate suffering; it exists independently as part of life. Then on the other hand  suffering can sometimes lead to injury because of the way the mind contracts around experience. If you’re referring to this freedom as the release from the mind’s traps, constructs, and conditioning, then are we not talking about the same thing?

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Adrian colby said:

When I said “back to life in an effortless flow and no longer being grasped,” I was referring to the release of mental apprehension—letting go of the tension and resistance that constrict us. This isn’t about negating physical happenings, which occur regardless of our inner state, but about the mental patterns that amplify suffering.

Ok, then I get your point. I didn't do anything intentional. My interpretation was probably because I didn't fully grasp what you were saying or meant. From the mental perspective, I agree that we are constricted and that there is resistance. From what you are saying, I can say I'm more inclined to think we're referring to the same thing - without going back to your original comment, but from what you're saying here.