Integration of Enlightenment into the Life

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If this is the emptiness and seems full, why do you call it emptiness? Empty of what?

Full of appearance.

Empty of meaning, purpose and value.

Empty of a real lasting experiencer. 

The conditioned illusion of self, doesn't like the way this sounds. It's biggest problem is death. It wants to avoid death at all costs, but its already not alive (cosmic joke)

Empty = bad

Full = good

Everything = good

Nothing = bad

Real me = good

Unreal me = bad

It can't fathom its own unreality. It avoids seeing it clearly at all costs.

❤️ 

[VeganAwake]

Hence: Religion and spirituality = hope

[WelcometoReality]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Thank you. İ just shared my personal experience. Of course, some people are more irritated around people, some people are more irritated when they are alone. 

Mhm true. 🙂

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Empty of meaning, purpose and value

It depends of what is meaning for you. The only meaning of existence is existing, but it's an absolute meaning 

17 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

The conditioned illusion of self, doesn't like the way this sounds. It's biggest problem is death. It wants to avoid death at all costs, but its already not alive (cosmic joke)

What is alive is existence because it's existing, then it can't end, the self is just a construction that the perception or duality makes but without self reality still is, and you are that

[WelcometoReality]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If this is the emptiness and seems full, why do you call it emptiness? Empty of what?

A glass can be full of water but without the emptiness inside it can't hold anything.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

A glass can be full of water but without the emptiness inside it can't hold anything.

If the emptiness is full of anything, call you appearance or anything, it's always full because if anything appears it's because everything is

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It depends of what is meaning for you. The only meaning of existence is existing, but it's an absolute meaning 

Why would that be so-called absolute meaning. Reality doesn't require a label.

See what happens is a self illusion overlays meaning and purpose overtop of reality and then functions from that perspective. That's called the Matrix or dream story!

Every last bit of what you described as meaning, is just your conditioned humanly opinion.....nothing more!

Its not an absolute meaning in any way at all.....its your spiritually biased personal opinion. Period!!

 Is what happens 

What is alive is existence because it's existing, then it can't end, the self is just a construction that the perception or duality makes but without self reality still is, and you are that

It's already not happening. Illusions do not end because they never began in first place.

Your not anything because there isn't a you!

Sure reality may seem to exist without a real spectator....but think about that....If there's no real witness, who would declare it as real or still being!

❤️ 

 

[Javfly33]

23 hours ago, James123 said:

 

Surrendering is easy while you are alone, however it is the most difficult when you are in life and while around people. Therefore, meditating while you argue with people, hearing your boss while he/she yelling at you etc... 

 

I think is because when one argues with people one gets entangled in the conversation, trying to win/not lose the argument, therefore Enlightment is not the case in that moment. 

Due to identity to thought probably

[WelcometoReality]

44 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If the emptiness is full of anything, call you appearance or anything, it's always full because if anything appears it's because everything is

Full would imply that it's finite though?

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

not an absolute meaning in any way at all.....its your spiritually biased personal opinion. Period!!

It's exactly the same than saying that it has not meaning, what is meaning? Just an idea that appears in the mind. 

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

It's already not happening. Illusions do not end because they never began in first place.

Reality is, and that's it. What more is needed? Call it illusion is another label that the human mind creates

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Sure reality may seem to exist without a real spectator....but think about that....If there's no real witness, who would declare it as real or still being!

The witness only exist when there is an object to perceive, then you could say that the perceiver is just an appearance, but anyway, reality is. If reality is, you are that. Not you and a person, you as the only thing that is, the being. Or maybe you can deny that being is?

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't go around the world saying I'm not human and I interact as such, it's for the purpose of this post why I'm saying so. There really are no humans and there's no difference between anything. It's all appearances. I appear as a human but that's just a word and a concept. It's all words and concepts. What's real is just what's appearing. We're making sense of it through meaning. 

The concepts are something that we use to talk, not something that we believe like if you are thinking all time: I'm a human, I'm a human, I'm a human, without pause. You just perceive the reality, but still there are barriers, even you are totally empty of words.

Silence is not the end, is the begining. The perception of what you are is much deeper than realizing that you are not something conceptual 

[Princess Arabia]

Can't you all see that no matter what we say about life it's still just keep on keeping on. You go to bed, you eat, take shower, go to work or not, play with friends, the sun shines, the moon shines, there's air to breathe, watch TV, listen music, do your exercises and spiritual practices, meditate, take a shit, watch the birds, go on youtube, approach girls, have sex, comb your hair, get depressed, feel happy fir a sec, talk to the neighbor, go to school, learn some shit, create some shit, log in to the forum........REPEAT. 

Nothing has changed. Only content. Same shit day in and day out. Hustle and bustle trying to survive. Talking shit on a forum then wake up and talk some more. Life is just keep on keeping on. Then you rot and die and your off-springs repeat the same shit to Infinity. 

I don't see anybody walking through walls, flying, raising the dead, stopping diseases, stopping people from suffering, fires and hurricanes, murder and rape and genocide and mass shootings still occur. Divorce, being cheated on, loneliness, depression and anxiety and fucked up human beings still exist. Everything is the same. Awakening, enlightenment? To what, all the above? Then what, chop wood, carry water? It's all bullshit. Ok, I'm God, more conscious, I meditate and go to retreats and do psychedelics and ayawashca(sic), then what, I'm more awake to see the bullshit more clearer? What's the difference if there's no limits and if I open myself to existence. Then what? I get swallowed up in the black hole and never come back. Or do I now live a life filled with joy and no suffering while everybody else suffers their rotting bodies away. Go learn some practical tips on how to maneuver this life as it is and cut the bullshit about how to integrate enlightenment. This is enlightenment, freedom and liberation already. Deal with with it.

[Adrian colby]

I’m just responding to the topic. 
it’s something that has also occurred to me after going through the transcendence after the negation of everything to reach an absolute. I see ( or experience) enlightenment not as the upmost realisation but as the balancing of integrating all facets of everything on the way back down from absolute to duality. Integrating what is learned or (unlearned) about reality back into the lived experience so that it becomes an effortless flow and no longer grasped. Understanding the formation of all thought and idea, the formation of dualities and being able to balance them. Creating preferences to have experiences instead of seeing one’s self or character at the mercy of it all. 

[James123]

35 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

I’m just responding to the topic. 
it’s something that has also occurred to me after going through the transcendence after the negation of everything to reach an absolute. I see ( or experience) enlightenment not as the upmost realisation but as the balancing of integrating all facets of everything on the way back down from absolute to duality. Integrating what is learned or (unlearned) about reality back into the lived experience so that it becomes an effortless flow and no longer grasped. Understanding the formation of all thought and idea, the formation of dualities and being able to balance them. Creating preferences to have experiences instead of seeing one’s self or character at the mercy of it all. 

What a great explanation. 

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Can't you all see that no matter what we say about life it's still just keep on keeping on. You go to bed, you eat, take shower, go to work or not, play with friends, the sun shines, the moon shines, there's air to breathe, watch TV, listen music, do your exercises and spiritual practices, meditate, take a shit, watch the birds, go on youtube, approach girls, have sex, comb your hair, get depressed, feel happy fir a sec, talk to the neighbor, go to school, learn some shit, create some shit, log in to the forum........REPEAT. 

Nothing has changed. Only content. Same shit day in and day out. Hustle and bustle trying to survive. Talking shit on a forum then wake up and talk some more. Life is just keep on keeping on. Then you rot and die and your off-springs repeat the same shit to Infinity. 

I don't see anybody walking through walls, flying, raising the dead, stopping diseases, stopping people from suffering, fires and hurricanes, murder and rape and genocide and mass shootings still occur. Divorce, being cheated on, loneliness, depression and anxiety and fucked up human beings still exist. Everything is the same. Awakening, enlightenment? To what, all the above? Then what, chop wood, carry water? It's all bullshit. Ok, I'm God, more conscious, I meditate and go to retreats and do psychedelics and ayawashca(sic), then what, I'm more awake to see the bullshit more clearer? What's the difference if there's no limits and if I open myself to existence. Then what? I get swallowed up in the black hole and never come back. Or do I now live a life filled with joy and no suffering while everybody else suffers their rotting bodies away. Go learn some practical tips on how to maneuver this life as it is and cut the bullshit about how to integrate enlightenment. This is enlightenment, freedom and liberation already. Deal with with it.

This is the problem with forums like this, and its not just about Spiritual topics, its with everything and every topic, if You talk about it too much it becomes a repeating cycle, which is what Karma is, repeating cycles of the samethings, so I've realized this the last few months and have started to lessen my time here and have become more selective  about what I reply and participate in.  

I'm here for two reasons, this place brings more into my Awareness my identifications with ideology and ego, and hence the more I see it flare up the more Aware I am of it, and two someone may find something I say useful for their path on this journey, same applies to everyone here...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I am replying to the topic.

It is difficult.

Because you learn all these insights.

You are empowered.

But tapping into and maintaining connection to that power, while also dealing with the drudgery of life, is the challenge.

One problem solved, a new one arises.

If you can help one person with love and light. Give one person nice words - you are fostering the connection.

To do this, and maintain aligned with enlightenment, you must have the capacity to give.

This means taking the ultimate care of yourself, to ensure personal happiness.

Sleep well, eat well, clean water, clean life. Clean thoughts, clean intentions.

Your own happiness = of happiness of all others.

Learning all the care you must give to yourself, while operating in a sick, diseased society, is the new part.

And its hard because some days you wake up and you just want to kill someone.

I think this goes into that saying:

'Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water'

 

[Jwayne]

On 1/14/2025 at 3:10 PM, James123 said:

İ have been on the path almost 8 years now. İn my 4th year, i have recognize what enlightenment is. All i did was retreat, psychedelic retreats, staying alone and meditating, simply surrendering and just Being. After that i have enlightenment experience. 

However, after enlightenment, experience leans down, and new life starts. First couple months are honeymoon, however when everything leans down, you directly face with life. Because, you are not the same person as before. Every aspect of life evoke the enlightenment not the self, and learning the life from perspective of awake person is very difficult (this is where real surrendering starts), because most people are programmed to materialistic duality view. 

Surrendering is easy while you are alone, however it is the most difficult when you are in life and while around people. Therefore, meditating while you argue with people, hearing your boss while he/she yelling at you etc... 

İn the beggining of the path, you learn to meditate, during the enlightenment you learn how to completely surrender, but in life you will surrender within the fire. And when you do that, all is done, there is no self is left, no suffering, no more gaining or loosing. You are free. Life turns Love, self turns emptiness, death turns to the life, life turns to death and world turns to the Source / Now. 

 

You're right that the real challenge is bringing whatever privately held delusions you have about yourself ("I am so enlightened") to bear on the wider world around you in a positive way.

Think concretely how to improve your relationships and to contribute to your real life community, like your family.

And ignore every one of the clowns trying to one up each other on this thread.

[James123]

3 hours ago, Jwayne said:

You're right that the real challenge is bringing whatever privately held delusions you have about yourself ("I am so enlightened") to bear on the wider world around you in a positive way.

Think concretely how to improve your relationships and to contribute to your real life community, like your family.

And ignore every one of the clowns trying to one up each other on this thread.

Definitely brother. 💯 Definitely. 

[James123]

16 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water'

It is not important what you do, it is important how you do it. 

16 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

If you can help one person with love and light. Give one person nice words - you are fostering the connection.

To do this, and maintain aligned with enlightenment, you must have the capacity to give.

This means taking the ultimate care of yourself, to ensure personal happiness.

Definitely.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Jwayne said:

Think concretely how to improve your relationships and to contribute to your real life community, like your family.

And ignore every one of the clowns trying to one up each other on this thread.

Maybe you should go to the church and work as a volunteer with the homeless or anything, but this doesn't mean that that's the path of everyone. Some people need total isolation for a while to get deep into themselves, then when their being is totally open the relationship with the world will arrives naturally. .

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall