Integration of Enlightenment into the Life

[James123]

İ have been on the path almost 8 years now. İn my 4th year, i have recognize what enlightenment is. All i did was retreat, psychedelic retreats, staying alone and meditating, simply surrendering and just Being. After that i have enlightenment experience. 

However, after enlightenment, experience leans down, and new life starts. First couple months are honeymoon, however when everything leans down, you directly face with life. Because, you are not the same person as before. Every aspect of life evoke the enlightenment not the self, and learning the life from perspective of awake person is very difficult (this is where real surrendering starts), because most people are programmed to materialistic duality view. 

Surrendering is easy while you are alone, however it is the most difficult when you are in life and while around people. Therefore, meditating while you argue with people, hearing your boss while he/she yelling at you etc... 

İn the beggining of the path, you learn to meditate, during the enlightenment you learn how to completely surrender, but in life you will surrender within the fire. And when you do that, all is done, there is no self is left, no suffering, no more gaining or loosing. You are free. Life turns Love, self turns emptiness, death turns to the life, life turns to death and world turns to the Source / Now. 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

Cool. Nice experience. There's no one to know there's no self left because there never was a self. There's no one here and no one there either. No one is free because freedom is all there is. It's not for anyone. This is freedom already masquerading as "not being free". Being free also means being free to suffer and live a life of hell. Freedom is not conditional. It's unconditional and anything goes. The individual can never be free because it looks for personal freedom of which there's none. There's nothing to surrender to as life is just happening all by itself. Even your message and my response is life messaging and responding to itself.

Edited 21 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[James123]

43 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Cool. Nice experience. There's no one to know there's no self left because there never was a self. There's no one here and no one there either. No one is free because freedom is all there is. It's not for anyone. This is freedom already masquerading as "not being free". Being free also means being free to suffer and live a life of hell. Freedom is not conditional. It's unconditional and anything goes. The individual can never be free because it looks for personal freedom of which there's none. There's nothing to surrender to as life is just happening all by itself. Even your message and my response is life messaging and responding to itself.

So cliche. And this is just the beginning.

[VeganAwake]

This character believed that finding the truth was possible. I thought for sure that if I could know/understand the truth, it would make my life better. This character harnessed every last bit of its anxious energy to meditate compulsively, do yoga, read numerous spiritual books, eat vegan.....etc...etc...

I was convinced that I could figure it all out......it was complete desperation. No matter what, I was going to be the human that uncovered the truth or died trying.

At some point this energy turned inwards to explore or reveal what the driving force was behind this intense desperate exploration. 

Can you guess what it was?

❤️ 

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

This character believed that finding the truth was possiblem

It is possible.  But not by the character. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Inliytened1

[James123]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

This character believed that finding the truth was possible. I thought for sure that if I could know/understand the truth, it would make my life better. This character harnessed every last bit of its anxious energy to meditate compulsively, do yoga, read numerous spiritual books, eat vegan.....etc...etc...

I was convinced that I could figure it all out......it was complete desperation. No matter what, I was going to be the human that uncovered the truth or died trying.

At some point this energy turned inwards to explore or reveal what the driving force was behind this intense desperate exploration. 

Can you guess what it was?

❤️ 

Any guess of the self is an illusion itself. Moreover, the Truth is You, the character is just a temporary reflection no big or small deal. İt is just what it is. 

[VeganAwake]

30 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any guess of the self is an illusion itself. Moreover, the Truth is You, the character is just a temporary reflection no big or small deal. İt is just what it is. 

What is You?

You is the illusion!

❤️ 

[James123]

1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

What is You?

You is the illusion!

❤️ 

You = I = Being = Truth. 

you = i = self = illusion = temporary reflection.

[VeganAwake]

There wasn't anyone there!

It was recognized that even the idea of something called "the truth" stemmed from this nothingness or illusion of self!

❤️ 

[VeganAwake]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

You = I = Being = Truth. 

you = i = self = illusion = temporary reflection.

Same illusion 

[James123]

1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

Same illusion 

You need to get a hard slap to your face. Then You will see the difference. 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

There wasn't anyone there!

It was recognized that even the idea of something called "the truth" stemmed from this nothingness or illusion of self!

❤️ 

You are reading too much book man. Same thing over and over you saying. Face with reality go split a one gang member face, you will see the difference. let's see how your ego will try to protect itself. 

[VeganAwake]

Trust....I've been slapped before 😆 

The point was, there isn't a real You inside the body getting slapped or doing the slapping. 

There isn't a Higher Non Egoic You beneath a lower egoic you......they are the same illusion!

[James123]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Trust....I've been slapped before 😆 

Everyone does, yeah like that come to the human level, because you still breathe. Talking as non dual is just funny, cliche and beginner level shit. 

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

The point was, there isn't a real You inside the body getting slapped or doing the slapping. 

Now is before birth, forget about the body, there is nobody here, birth has never happened. However, at the same time yet we are breathing , which i refer as a gift of consciousness or temporary reflection. 

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

There isn't a Higher Non Egoic You beneath a lower egoic you......they are the same illusion!

There is an ego, again which is the temporary reflection and if you can write or understand what i am saying, it is real as fuck for you. Otherwise, why do you even write? But let me tell you what you will say, body is writing not me. Don't be silly and funny. 

İf you want to talk fundamentally let's talk. 

 

[VeganAwake]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

Everyone does, yeah like that come to the human level, because you still breathe. Talking as non dual is just funny, cliche and beginner level shit. 

Now is before birth, forget about the body, there is nobody here, birth has never happened. However, at the same time yet we are breathing , which i refer as a gift of consciousness or temporary reflection. 

There is an ego, again which is the temporary reflection and if you can write or understand what i am saying, it is real as fuck for you. Otherwise, why do you even write? But let me tell you what you will say, body is writing not me. Don't be silly and funny. 

İf you want to talk fundamentally let's talk. 

 

Everything is human level, no need to say "come to the human level" when that's all there is.

Agreed, everything is a temporary appearance, but it's not reflecting anything. Emptiness has no reflection.

There isn't a now and there also isn't a before or after birth....all 3 are empty and ungraspable illusions of time!

Gift of consciousness? Who gave you that gift? The consciousness fairy lol? Unneeded words!

Yes the body learns to read and write from a young age.... Is this surprising to you? Silly and funny? Umm sure, why not!

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Agreed, everything is a temporary appearance, but it's not reflecting anything. Emptiness has no reflection.

If this is the emptiness and seems full, why do you call it emptiness? Empty of what?

[James123]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

Everything is human level, no need to say "come to the human level" when that's all there is.

Agreed, everything is a temporary appearance, but it's not reflecting anything. Emptiness has no reflection.

There isn't a now and there also isn't a before or after birth....all 3 are empty and ungraspable illusions of time!

Gift of consciousness? Who gave you that gift? The consciousness fairy lol? Unneeded words!

Yes the body learns to read and write from a young age.... Is this surprising to you? Silly and funny? Umm sure, why not!

❤️ 

Real emptiness is Genuinely Not Knowing as so called before birth. Therefore, you can not talk, explain or know it. You can only Be. 

Gift of Consciousness from human level. Because, it is temporary reflection. Why do you think, you breathe and writing these sentences to me? What can be the fundamental reason? 

Fundamentally, There is no body and nobody. 

Edited 4 hours ago by James123

[James123]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If this is the emptiness and seems full, why do you call it emptiness? Empty of what?

Definitely. Therefore, it can not be tell, explain, experience or etc... And therefore it is genuinely not knowing, only Being. 

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, James123 said:

You need to get a hard slap to your face. Then You will see the difference. 

There's no actual difference between anything. How can there be in wholeness. Yes they appear as such, so what you're speaking of is still not actual. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's still only within the idea of separation. Have fun with it, but it's illusory.

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, James123 said:

Definitely. Therefore, it can not be tell, explain, experience or etc... And therefore it is genuinely not knowing, only Being. 

You just knocked your whole post off the map with this sentence. You're all over the place.