Andrew Tate uk prime minister ?

[zazen]

13 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Here's a list of top 50 countries of the world acccoding to the Quality of Life Index from Numbeo and the Human Freedom Index from the Fraser Institute

1. Switzerland

2. New Zealand

3. Denmark

4. Finland

5. Norway

6. Netherlands

7. Luxembourg

8. Sweden

9. Australia

10. Canada

11. Ireland

12. Estonia

13. Germany

14. Iceland

15. United Kingdom

16. Austria

17. United States

18. Czech Republic

19. Portugal

20. Japan

21. Belgium

22. Slovenia

23. France

24. South Korea

25. Singapore

26. Spain

27. Malta

28. Lithuania

29. Taiwan

30. Italy

31. Poland

32. Slovakia

33. Latvia

34. Greece

35. Cyprus

36. Israel

37. Chile

38. Uruguay

39. Costa Rica

40. Argentina

41. Mauritius

42. Croatia

43. Hungary

44. Malaysia

45. Romania

46. Thailand

47. Bulgaria

48. Brazil

49. Montenegro

50. Bosnia and Herzegovina

Notice how we had to go throught 19 western countries, for a non western country to finally show up. And those non western countries have a very similiar political alignment to us anyway. Notice how there's not China on the list, and notice that all 3 countries that are sort of muslim (have a slight majority of muslims) are on the bottom of the list. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Anything else is a dog's barking. And I refuse to let my oh so beautiful and perfect mind get clogged with these streams of inferior opinions

There’s no doubt the West is developed (though now declining) and has a lot going for it. But if we simply look at things rather than through them - we miss a whole lot. Many people know how this development has historically been achieved and how it's maintained today. The list of countries above is an indictment rather than an indication of “look how great we are”.

1. The abundance of small nations skews these rankings, plenty of which are in Europe, creating a false impression that Western style governance reigns supreme. Small, socially cohesive populations are far easier to govern than larger, more divided ones. That stability enables the chance for development. And stability is something many nations missing from these lists lack - something the West has been a culprit in undermining. But stability must also be seized by the people which is something Western nations have been great at. Size, stability, and seizing those conditions has good outcomes. That's a big part of why non-Western nations like Uruguay, Chile, Costa Rica, and Singapore make the list. 

''And those non western countries have a very similiar political alignment to us anyway. '' - Singapore didn't rise due to the typical Western style democracy, but by the firm hand of Lee Kuan Yew who governed for over 30 years and was very restrictive on certain freedoms, for the greater freedom of development for his own people - he restricted political opposition, tightly controlled the media, and suppressed dissent.

Speaking of smaller nations, the fact that UAE or Oman aren’t even on the list tells me that these rankings prioritize Western ideological metrics like being a liberal democracy,  ignoring the fact it's possible to achieve a high quality of life without conforming to that system. 

Instead we get Brazil, with some of the highest in-equality and crime on the list. The only country in the Middle East on the list is Israel - who's quality of life has been enabled by literally disqualifying natives to their own sovereignty. They have been un-aliving and de-developing the region through their battering ram uncle Sam (US) - then have the audacity to claim to be the only developed democracy in the neighborhood. On Piers Morgan last week Jordan Peterson implied that the inability of many Muslim majority nations to embrace democracy reflects some inherent cultural deficiency or pre-disposition - completely ignoring the West’s history of intervention and regime change in the region that toppled democracies and propped up dictators.

A modern day settler colonial apartheid state makes the list, but not UAE or Oman who are in the same region and arguably have a higher quality of life which is apparently high enough for people to be flocking to Dubai for. I’m supposed to believe that Mauritius, Romania, Hungary and Bosnia have a higher quality of life than UAE?

2. Another visible pattern is that the list is made up of either former colonial powers turned modern day imperial powers, or those who haven't been subjugated by those powers or intervened in after their independence (Brazil, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia).

The UK, France, Spain, and their European cousins dominate these rankings. That wealth, infrastructure and quality of life wasn't built solely by genius or governance - it was fueled by centuries of global exploitation. The nations they colonized were extracted from and structured to serve imperial interests. Most of those nations don't make the list - beside recovering from colonialism, these nations and regions are still being destabilized and intervened in today.

Centuries of colonialism were followed by post colonial meddling, coups, sanctions, and proxy wars. Entire regions have had their borders drawn up along sectarian lines causing plenty of internal instability and social tensions. Their absence from these lists doesn’t necessarily reflect their systems failures but does reflect the success of Western systems in sabotaging their development. How can nations rebuild when external powers continually pull the rug out from under them? This doesn't celebrate Western brilliance but indicts them in their brutality.

3. Even within these rankings, cracks are evident. In the more populous nations like UK, US and France there is wealth inequality, crumbling infrastructure, rising crime and populism. These aren’t paragons of development,  they’re more like developing countries with rich cities attached. France has widespread discontent and protests like all the time ie yellow vests.

The fact of populism raging across the West and that UK had Brexit years before Trump's cheeky ass rode down the golden elevator indicates that the people clearly don't think they have a decent quality of life. This is a large driver behind a lot of populism and it's discontents.
 

 

Edited Monday at 10:32 PM by zazen

[Basman]

Just reacting to the title of this thread, this seems like just a grab for attention as Tate is falling out relevancy. Like with how Kanye was running for president.

Its meant to be shocking. I doubt he is serious about politics.

[Leo Gura]

Please keep this thread focused on Tate.

If you wish to debate China vs West or other such issues please start a new thread for that.

Edited Monday at 11:35 PM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

He would definitely be the Trump of UK if he became PM of the country.

Though I think the parliamentary system makes it a lot harder for someone like him to become Prime Minister because members of Parliament decide who the prime minister is and they would not be thrilled about the idea of Tate running the whole country.

[Twentyfirst]

10 hours ago, Hardkill said:

He would definitely be the Trump of UK if he became PM of the country.

Though I think the parliamentary system makes it a lot harder for someone like him to become Prime Minister because members of Parliament decide who the prime minister is and they would not be thrilled about the idea of Tate running the whole country.

A recent tweet by Tate

"Trump accused of sex crimes Tates accused of sex crimes Trump vilified by old recordings making jokes Tate vilified by old recordings making jokes Trump false court cases and lawfare Tate false court cases and lawfare Trump wins Tate wins"

[Carl-Richard]

If Trump is president, I can't see any reason why Tate can't be PM 😂

Or maybe one problem with Tate is he actually sounds like an authoritarian when he speaks (his voice and delivery). He doesn't speak like a normal person, so maybe he can't appeal to normal people (except teenagers and radicalized people). Trump just sounds glib.

Edited Tuesday at 06:16 PM by Carl-Richard

[BlueOak]

Sums up my week this. Perfect. I feel like I jumped off a cliff, and then I read this ha. 

Darkly funny. He's got enough young men that will simp for him (their choice of words), that he'd probably get some votes, but unless someone with money finds him a useful idiot, he's not going anywhere. It could happen though, we are on the shadow-side of a curve still. As in people want to see the uglier qualities accepted and highlighted in their public figures.

Edited Wednesday at 03:31 PM by BlueOak

[Pox]

On 1/12/2025 at 3:48 PM, Twentyfirst said:

It's insane how easy it is to manipulate westerners. Just talk about how the other race is bad! Democracy is a weapon 

Never call the Chinese brainwashed 

As a Chinese person, Chinese people are brainwashed, and a lot Americans are dumb to not think so

[leebus99]

If a snap election was called in the UK tomorrow, theoretically Nigel Farage could be a front runner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

So as far as I'm concerned, anything is possible these days. Perhaps Tate could get a cabinet role in a Reform government, Secretary of State for Exploitation or something.

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Pox said:

As a Chinese person, Chinese people are brainwashed, and a lot Americans are dumb to not think so

Brainwashed about what? Is the brainwashing harmful to other countries? 

We can't make this thread about China though 

Edited 23 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[The Crocodile]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Brainwashed about what?

I once argued with a Chinese kid about whether the Tiananmen Square Massacre was real and even sent him footage, but he refused to believe it.

Also probably stuff about the Uighur camps and Taiwan and Hong Kong and Tibet.

Edited 20 hours ago by The Crocodile

[Emerald]

On 1/13/2025 at 6:27 AM, Twentyfirst said:

@NewKidOnTheBlock HAHAHA the fraser institute. Its Canadian bro

Of course Canadians think they are among the best countries. Of course they think their white friends are also the best. White supremacy 

So you don't like it when people create supremacist narratives, eh? I suppose we have something in common then.

But weren't you just spouting off some male supremacist narratives the other day saying 'We're men and we own you and you must obey us because we make society' etc.?

Plus, you've spent this whole thread saying how your culture is superior to Western culture. 

So, I don't really think you have any foot to stand on complaining about supremacist talking points because you fundamentally agree with the notion of supremacy. Your whole worldview is based on it. 

You agree that there are some cultures that are superior to others. 

You just don't like it when others do the same thing to you because you think everyone should agree that your culture is superior.

And Western culture is your main bug bear because it is perhaps the most diametrically opposed to your own.

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

I once argued with a Chinese kid about whether the Tiananmen Square Massacre was real and even sent him footage, but he refused to believe it.

Also probably stuff about the Uighur camps and Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Harmless compared to other brainwashing. But yeah wrong thread for this I don't wanna keep beating a dead horse

[Twentyfirst]

13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

So you don't like it when people create supremacist narratives, eh? I suppose we have something in common then.

But weren't you just spouting off some male supremacist narratives the other day saying 'We're men and we own you and you must obey us because we make society' etc.?

You are misrepresenting my words. I was talking about traditional gender roles which have been in place for thousands of years and is still in place of most of the world. When I say stay at home housewife your feminist brain automatically translates that to "slave". Your problem not mine

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Plus, you've spent this whole thread saying how your culture is superior to Western culture. 

I didn't mention my culture in this thread. I was mostly highlighting the immense faults and hypocrisy of Western culture and whats wrong with it and not so much whats right about other cultures 

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So, I don't really think you have any foot to stand on complaining about supremacist talking points because you fundamentally agree with the notion of supremacy. Your whole worldview is based on it. 

Shhhh, make me a sammy  

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You agree that there are some cultures that are superior to others. 

Every culture will have things in wins at compared to others and things it loses at. But no culture is supreme above all the others in all aspects. We are all just messy humans at the end of the day

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You just don't like it when others do the same thing to you because you think everyone should agree that your culture is superior.

I know what my culture is good at

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And Western culture is your main bug bear because it is perhaps the most diametrically opposed to your own.

No. It's mostly about the wars and violence that the west produces. Most people around the world hate the west because they have tasted the damage. Westerners are also victims of the west but too brainwashed to link their misery to western causes. Literally the whole world is waiting for you guys to change but you won't listen, budge, or even understand. Ironically you want the whole world to bend to you (even though you are the small minority) which is never gonna happen.

If someone wants to keep talking about this then start a thread called "West vs east" because I was already asked to stop talking about it here

Edited 20 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[Emerald]

25 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

You are misrepresenting my words. I was talking about traditional gender roles which have been in place for thousands of years and is still in place of most of the world. When I say stay at home housewife your feminist brain automatically translates that to "slave". Your problem not mine.

I didn't mention my culture in this thread. I was mostly highlighting the immense faults and hypocrisy of Western culture and whats wrong with it and not so much whats right about other cultures 

Shhhh, make me a sammy  

Every culture will have things in wins at compared to others and things it loses at. But no culture is supreme above all the others in all aspects. We are all just messy humans at the end of the day

I know what my culture is good at

No. It's mostly about the wars and violence that the west produces. Most people around the world hate the west because they have tasted the damage. Westerners are also victims of the west but too brainwashed to link their misery to western causes 

Lol. You're super immature with repeat of the sandwich comment.  You go make me one.

And you literally said "We run you" and "men built everything and you women will have to obey". And "women love it when I scream at them to make me a sandwich."

It was really direct and making a clear statement that men are superior to women and that women need to obey men. And you came out the gate with male supremacist narratives. 

Don't pretend like you were just 'mentioning' traditional gender roles and that my Feminist brain 'blew a gasket' at the mere mention of traditional norms.

I was a stay at home mom for about a year after my son was born. And while I'm glad to have spent the extra time with him, I wasn't feeling very fulfilled because it was isolating and non-directional... and the work was constant with no dynamism.

So, I felt a lack of meaning in the way my life was structured. But I understand that some women might prefer that dynamic. I certainly wouldn't criticize that choice. It just isn't for me because I need a sense of worldly trajectory in my life.

And look back at your posts in this thread. You clearly believe that your culture is superior to Western culture.

So, don't pretend like you don't.

Like I said to you before... be honest and own your shitty opinions.

Don't try to weasel out of them because you realized later on how bad they make you look.

And yes, there's a lot of Western imperialism... which is why there are huge disparities in the indexes that the other Western guys were mentioning.

We'd all have similar levels of Spiral Dynamics development if imperialist nations (like the US) weren't playing world police and toppling foreign governments to bring "democracy" to the "backwards places".

It's similar to how we used to say "bringing civilization to the uncivilized". 

It's all a narrative to weaken other potential empires and to extract cheap labor and steal resources.

But I see now that Leo said that we're supposed to keep the topic on Andrew Tate. So, I'll leave this discussion here.

Edited 19 hours ago by Emerald

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Shhhh, make me a sammy

If you repeat this kind of disrespect to women here, you will get warning points and eventually a ban.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

On 13. 1. 2025 at 11:00 PM, zazen said:

Speaking of smaller nations, the fact that UAE or Oman aren’t even on the list tells me that these rankings prioritize Western ideological metrics like being a liberal democracy,  ignoring the fact it's possible to achieve a high quality of life without conforming to that system. 

It's possible to ammass a lot of wealth and also mantain relative safety and order in a country without liberal democracy, that's true. But you'd be still missing on a lot of freedoms as a citizen of such country, no?

Otherwise you made some good points.

What list would you suggest?

[Something Funny]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you repeat this kind of disrespect to women here, you will get warning points and eventually a ban.

This IS him repeating it though.

[yetineti]

@Something Funny

7 hours ago, Something Funny said:

This IS him repeating it though.

Yes, it is.

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura this is too tolerant. Immediate ban.