Wisdom

[Someone here]

 I've picked a new hobby recently.  I like to drive my bicycle late at night and visit the cemetery to see dead people's graves.. I like to read headstones. Like it's really interesting. Seeing who was buried with who..ages etc. And I'm thinking that one day we all gonna be dead  . Whenever I turn ..I see impermanence..death..etc. and honestly life as a whole on the materialistic level isn't satisfying no matter how you wanna slice it . Everyday you have to suffer from your biological needs ..and the more you age you gonna get sick and disgusted by life ..until you drop dead one day . I know what I'm saying is obvious but REALLY consider the situation: you are doomed to suffer for your whole life then you die . This reminds me of the story of Buddha when he knew that sickness +old age +death exist and that they are inevitable he freaked the fuck out and ran away from his position as a prince and went to the woods seeking enlightenment or whatever. 

I always wondered where we came from. And I made thousands of posts on this forum about this issue. It just seems so strange that all of sudden we're all just here. Almost like we all just spawned out of nowhere. We all are just born from nowhere and then we live 80 years maximum and then dissapear. It's so mysterious . I  want to just say that if you are not serious about this work (uncovering deep truths about life and reality ) then get serious. Because the situation is really serious. Just think about your inevitable death but seriously think about it as  if it was sooooo near .. the most insane thing that we can't even wrap our minds around and its terrifying beyond comprehension and its the most normal thing in the world. That's what blows my mind . If you are reading me right something must change in you .

[Javfly33]

Yes is fucking terrifying I wonder how many people here that say they are "awake" will gracefully die like is nothing.

Time of surrendering the body is the test of fire in that moment you can really know how much consciousness beyond normal physicality you have, there´s no better test than that one.

Although I have to say intuition tells me once that you pass that phase incredible Bliss is at the other side, at least for those ones that have earned it. 

(That in the case you don´t reincarnate and have to go through some other bullshit 70-80 years more)

Seems fun, uh?   Great post by the way @Someone here

Edited January 11 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yes is fucking terrifying I wonder how many people here that say they are "awake" will gracefully die like is nothing.

Time of surrendering the body is the test of fire in that moment you can really know how much consciousness beyond normal physicality you have, there´s no better test than that one.

Although I have to say intuition tells me once that you pass that phase incredible Bliss is at the other side, at least for those ones that have earned it. 

(That in the case you don´t reincarnate and have to go through some other bullshit 70-80 years more)

Seems fun, uh?   Great post by the way @Someone here

Thanks jav.

When Ramana Maharshi was dying of cancer ...he didn't give a fuck about being hospitalised.  His deciples had to force him to see the doctor . Because he was next-level beyond a shred of a doubt sure that he is the immortal self.and that death is a jokd  . That's the kind of consciousness which should be the ideal to strive for . But  its not easy . And it's sad how far the gap is between us (at least me ) and someone like him .(remember that post I made about my attachment to my cellphone lol?)

[Breakingthewall]

When you have a moment of awakening, enlightenment or whatever, you see that your life, the human with all its memory, suffering and mental structures is nothing, it is simply a structure that reality is taking . What really exists is the substance, and it is simply existence. You are that, but it seems that you are the human with all its facets. Death is simply the total dissolution of that structure, your essence remains, which is self-aware and has no limits.

What happens next? There is no “next”, there cannot be, since the timeline is within the structure of this experience, so simply a structure of infinite structures disappears, and the structureless reality remains and at the same time infinite structures appear and disappear infinitely.

It is not linear since the linear is temporal, therefore it can only be understood vaguely. As much as understanding that right now you are the formless existence and the form at the same time.

Edited January 12 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

Thanks jav.

When Ramana Maharshi was dying of cancer ...he didn't give a fuck about being hospitalised.  His deciples had to force him to see the doctor . Because he was next-level beyond a shred of a doubt sure that he is the immortal self.and that death is a jokd  . That's the kind of consciousness which should be the ideal to strive for . But  its not easy . And it's sad how far the gap is between us (at least me ) and someone like him .(remember that post I made about my attachment to my cellphone lol?)

The gap is far because we still care a lot for those kind of bs (like your attachment to your cellphone).

Additionally If all the time we spend intellectually masturbating in this forum we would have spend it meditating we would be in another level altogether, but people don´t realize talking about this stuff does not get you closer to the "real thing", if any it actually gets you further, because most people here talk about God constantly as like is the christian god, it creates constant limitations, the whole idea about that we "already have sorted it out" and god is this or is that, is deeply toxic and limiting, and I wish people would realize this and stop debating about spirituality like that.

Is not that is not helping, is that is deeply damaging. 90% of people here come to preach a mental idea of reality as Spirituality. Is a tragedy and dangerous reading constantly this things every day if one is in the spiritual path. Because almost every topic people open here is about limitations, not about possibilities. 

Is the spiritual path an open possibility or a limitation? Just asking in case someone has forgot what we are doing here.

( You are some of the exception because you usually open topics with questions, which is good, which is why I thought it was a great post. Just opening some questions that you have, then great, because is a debate/conversation, not another preacher that comes to limit my life. )

Edited January 12 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

On 12/01/2025 at 2:19 AM, Breakingthewall said:

When you have a moment of awakening, enlightenment or whatever, you see that your life, the human with all its memory, suffering and mental structures is nothing, it is simply a structure that reality is taking . What really exists is the substance, and it is simply existence. You are that, but it seems that you are the human with all its facets. Death is simply the total dissolution of that structure, your essence remains, which is self-aware and has no limits.

What happens next? There is no “next”, there cannot be, since the timeline is within the structure of this experience, so simply a structure of infinite structures disappears, and the structureless reality remains and at the same time infinite structures appear and disappear infinitely.

It is not linear since the linear is temporal, therefore it can only be understood vaguely. As much as understanding that right now you are the formless existence and the form at the same time.

I agree with all of what you're saying. Because I have verified them in my own personal experiences. There is just no way to describe it through words .but we are enraptured in language and we have nothing else but metaphors and analogies. 

I like to think of it like a dream.in the dream the only real thing is the consciousness or mind dreaming .the dreamworld is illusory. It definitely appears to be real but it doesn't have an objective existence outside the dreamer. 

Death is simply the end of the dream phenomena and what remains is pure consciousness which is free to do whatever it wants .

[Someone here]

On 12/01/2025 at 0:43 PM, Javfly33 said:

The gap is far because we still care a lot for those kind of bs (like your attachment to your cellphone).

Additionally If all the time we spend intellectually masturbating in this forum we would have spend it meditating we would be in another level altogether, but people don´t realize talking about this stuff does not get you closer to the "real thing", if any it actually gets you further, because most people here talk about God constantly as like is the christian god, it creates constant limitations, the whole idea about that we "already have sorted it out" and god is this or is that, is deeply toxic and limiting, and I wish people would realize this and stop debating about spirituality like that.

Is not that is not helping, is that is deeply damaging. 90% of people here come to preach a mental idea of reality as Spirituality. Is a tragedy and dangerous reading constantly this things every day if one is in the spiritual path. Because almost every topic people open here is about limitations, not about possibilities. 

Is the spiritual path an open possibility or a limitation? Just asking in case someone has forgot what we are doing here.

( You are some of the exception because you usually open topics with questions, which is good, which is why I thought it was a great post. Just opening some questions that you have, then great, because is a debate/conversation, not another preacher that comes to limit my life. )

Yes . You are totally correct. Im thinking of taking a break for a year or so and just focusing on enhancing my awareness. I'm conscious of pretty deep stuff that honestly I'm not sure how many people on this forum are conscious of .which is not to be arrogant or idiot or delusional etc but it is just the truth . And btw thats the only way to seriously awaken. As long as you regard someone else thinking that he knows better than you what's going on you will never awaken. All the answers are within . 

Edited January 13 by Someone here

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I agree with all of what you're saying. Because I have verified them in my own personal experiences. There is just no way to describe it through words .but we are enraptured in language and we have nothing else but metaphors and analogies. 

I like to think of it like a dream.in the dream the only real thing is the consciousness or mind dreaming .the dreamworld is illusory. It definitely appears to be real but it doesn't have an objective existence outside the dreamer. 

Death is simply the end of the dream phenomena and what remains is pure consciousness which is free to do whatever it wants .

The only contradictory point I see in this analogy is the dreamer who can do whatever he wants. This would imply that he is someone, God, and I would say (or better , it's 100% sure) that ultimately there is no one, no will or intelligence. These are secondary creations. When everything dissolves what remains is the total amplitude that is, and it seems that given its absence of limits it flows creating cyclical structures and it cannot not do so, it is the nature of reality, and it is impersonal. The personal is the illusion, not because it is false but because it is a relative creation of reality reflecting on itself that occurs due to the incessant flow inevitable due to the permanent instability of the infinite given its infinitude

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

btw thats the only way to seriously awaken. As long as you regard someone else thinking that he knows better than you what's going on you will never awaken. All the answers are within . 

Absolutely 100%. Without fully assuming this reality you only navigate on the surface, you cannot go deeper.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The only contradictory point I see in this analogy is the dreamer who can do whatever he wants. This would imply that he is someone, God, and I would say (or better , it's 100% sure) that ultimately there is no one, no will or intelligence. These are secondary creations. When everything dissolves what remains is the total amplitude that is, and it seems that given its absence of limits it flows creating cyclical structures and it cannot not do so, it is the nature of reality, and it is impersonal. The personal is the illusion, not because it is false but because it is a relative creation of reality reflecting on itself that occurs due to the incessant flow inevitable due to the permanent instability of the infinite given its infinitude

Well..you want to say that the absolute or the true nature of existence is not a "he"(or she )? Meaning it is not a sentient being like a human or animal or alien etc ? 

Well look at your own self . Aren't you a sentient being ? Why is it so far fetched to think the source of you as a conscious person is also a conscious person?  

In the end ..The duality between personal and impersonal must collapse at the absolute level because like I said its ineffable and beyond words . You can call it absence of limits..you can call it god ..you can call it "42"..etc these are just words . The thing which the words point to can only be accessed by the spiritual seeker himself.  That's why different religions and spiritual traditions describe the absolute in slightly different ways..it's impersonal In Hinduism but personal in Abrahamic religions. Etc

 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

 I'm conscious of pretty deep stuff that honestly I'm not sure how many people on this forum are conscious of 

Like what

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

All the answers are within . 

Yeah for sure.

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Like what

I know how to reconcile solipsism/idealism with realism.  Ever wondered how is it possible that the world seems objective and independent from your mind yet simultaneously it is a projection of your mind ?  I know that .

Also ..How should you act in the world knowing that none  of what's going on in the world is your business?  Like if you are watching a movie ..it's obvious that everything happening in the movie is scripted and its out of your control..you are just the watcher of the movie ..right?  Similarly..none of what's happening in this world is your business. Then what should you do when you hear in the news about the fires in LA? I know that .

If interested about something..just ask me .(this is said with humility btw . Obviously you are also conscious of things which I'm not conscious of . Nobody has it all figured out ).

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Well look at your own self . Aren't you a sentient being ?

Yes but being without a center of perception, without a subject who perceives and objet is very different than a self

[Javfly33]

On 1/13/2025 at 5:41 PM, Someone here said:

I know how to reconcile solipsism/idealism with realism.  Ever wondered how is it possible that the world seems objective and independent from your mind yet simultaneously it is a projection of your mind ?  I know that .

Explain then

[Someone here]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Explain then

..i say it could be a mix of both. And I'm so much leaning towards that actually. Maybe I should create a label for this state of consciousness and call it mine lol. Notice that everything seems correct from each pov. It seems absolutely true that reality is external and objective .all evidence points towards that. And at the same time.. all of that seems to be couched within you/consciousness. Notice that you can never debunk either of those thoughts no matter how you try. You can never debunk materialism, neither will you ever debunk idealism. So both are true .

[Javfly33]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

..i say it could be a mix of both. And I'm so much leaning towards that actually. Maybe I should create a label for this state of consciousness and call it mine lol. Notice that everything seems correct from each pov. It seems absolutely true that reality is external and objective .all evidence points towards that. And at the same time.. all of that seems to be couched within you/consciousness. Notice that you can never debunk either of those thoughts no matter how you try. You can never debunk materialism, neither will you ever debunk idealism. So both are true .

Interesting. Both are true would mean Solipsism is true and not Solipsism also is true @Someone here 🤯 

 

Edited January 15 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Interesting. Both are true would mean Solipsism is true and not Solipsism also is true @Someone here 🤯 

 

Yup it's mind-blowing mindfuck isn't it ? Most people create a duality between materialism/realisim vs solipsism/idealism.  And no one has ever thought that both are true . How ? Because yes your conscious experience is completely sovereign.  Leo once told me "if you no longer see or interact with other human beings for the rest of your life you will awaken ". And of course you know what that means .

On the other side ..everything in your relative existence forces you to accept that the world has independent existence from you . Because you can't wish the walls of your room out of existence. There are layers of objectivity . This is no silly hocus bocus dream. God has thought out how to design this dream carefully. 

[Javfly33]

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yup it's mind-blowing mindfuck isn't it ? Most people create a duality between materialism/realisim vs solipsism/idealism.  And no one has ever thought that both are true . How ? Because yes your conscious experience is completely sovereign.  Leo once told me "if you no longer see or interact with other human beings for the rest of your life you will awaken ". And of course you know what that means .

On the other side ..everything in your relative existence forces you to accept that the world has independent existence from you . Because you can't wish the walls of your room out of existence. There are layers of objectivity . This is no silly hocus bocus dream. God has thought out how to design this dream carefully. 

I agree, those are good observations.