Critique My Idea For A Eugenic State

[The Crocodile]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Could you imagine going on a date with Andrew Tate? If I was a girl I would never want to date men again after that.

If you went on a date with Andrew Tate you would top

[EternalForest]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

I just know that I notice it right away. There's a vibe that doesn't lie. It's like a perfume of the personality. I can smell it on them straight away.

So, it's not a lefty talking point. It's just immediately evident in facial expressions, gestures, vibes, words, and actions if a guy has some misogynistic/Red Pill/Incel kind of stuff going on.

And it isn't necessarily social ineptitude that I'm picking up on, though these ideologies can grow from and exacerbate social issues.

From my subjective perspective, it's just hints of his underlying ideological framework and feelings about women that I can intuitively sense and that little glimpses come through.

People tend to give themselves away in the first 5 minutes... even in rare instances where people try to mask it for fear of being picked up on and evoking a negative reaction.

I just know what I notice and the feeling of being repelled. And I'm positive that I'm not a minority of one.

I think 25% is a decent estimate of the percentage of Millennial and Gen Z women would relate to what I'm saying.

Though, women over 45 might not be quite as attuned to it because they haven't been as affected by these movements or aware of them as women in their childbearing years in the age of internet misogyny movements.

You think it would be attractive for guys to approach women with the goal of "weeding out feminists" the way you do with Incels? Doesn't sound productive to me. Instead of silently judging, why not try and add a "good vibe" to the interaction yourself? Personally, I wouldn't like the feeling that if I make one wrong move, I'm put in the wrong basket... In fact, I'll purposely exude "bad vibes" with pride to ward off the majority and find the people who want to stick around to connect on a deep authentic level.

[EternalForest]

2 hours ago, LordFall said:

We will reach world unity in the next 10 years imo

Thanks for the optimism, sincerely... usually I'm hearing about the impending collapse of society nowadays so it was a breath of fresh air to read this

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Could you imagine going on a date with Andrew Tate? If I was a girl I would never want to date men again after that.

Nah. If you were a straight woman, you'd still like men.

You would just be a lot more selective about the men you spend time around. And you'd weed out men who gave off that vibe because you'd have developed the spidey sense for it.

If you didn't see Andrew Tate's toxicity the first time you decided to go out on a date with him... you'd definitely see it in all similar men thereafter.

It's all part of living and learning... and developing a more refined sense of disgust.

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, EternalForest said:

You think it would be attractive for guys to approach women with the goal of "weeding out feminists" the way you do with Incels? Doesn't sound productive to me. Instead of silently judging, why not try and add a "good vibe" to the interaction yourself? Personally, I wouldn't like the feeling that if I make one wrong move, I'm put in the wrong basket... In fact, I'll purposely exude "bad vibes" with pride to ward off the majority and find the people who want to stick around to connect on a deep authentic level.

Number one, I don't do it consciously. And I'm in a relationship, so I'm not looking for a partner. Now, it's more of a friendship sorting thing. 

I just don't feel comfortable around guys who think that way. So, I don't spend time around them. It's not even something that I'm very tuned into why I'm doing it. It's just a visceral feeling of discomfort and moving away from the source of the discomfort.

But it's something you learn to do as a woman because it makes your life a lot better. It may seem distasteful to talk about so candidly, but it just is what it is.

And if a man cannot understand why I feel that way, then he's probably not the best person to be friends with either because he won't be a safe person to express those feelings to.

[Emerald]

8 hours ago, yetineti said:

@Emerald

Do you think there’s a chance that being so quick to read and dismiss men might actually mirror the same kind of judging and categorizing you’re frustrated with?

Like, isn’t it kind of funny how focusing so much on spotting these vibes could feel like the flip side of what you’re calling out?

Could it end up being two sides of the same coin—both jumping to conclusions and making assumptions about people without really getting to know them?

You seem to talk about men a lot. Are you in a relationship? Have you maybe had trauma with bad men?

Yes, I'm in a relationship.

I don't feel like this tendency comes from trauma with bad men... though my first relationship from age 16-20 was terrible.

But I'm not angry at him. I just feel bad for him. I suspect he has BPD.

And he wasn't a misogynistic guy or a cheater or anything... he was just self-destructive and that self-destruction eventually became something that was really dragging down the quality of my life. And on the last day of our relationship, he threatened to hurt me and kill me... which he'd never done before. So, that was how that ended.

That one was a really traumatic relationship that went on 3.5 years longer than it should have.

But otherwise, my experiences with men have been primarily positive. But that's been because I'm pretty good at discerning which men to keep away from me. (and people in general)

I just really cannot stand all these men's movements because they aggravate and step on the wounds that women collectively have. And it really creates a lot of fear and unsafely and anger and all sorts of other emotions.

Plus, it's warping into all the political ideologies that are threatening to encroach upon my rights and freedoms.

So, I find it very upsetting and disempowering. And it's difficult to not get too upset at an individual man who's like this. 

But I notice that when I'm on here talking about anything about my experiences with being female, I don't feel like people are open to understanding me because I'm a woman talking about the female experience. So, I tend to want to share my more polarizing feelings and perspectives in a way that's more judgmental to agitate a bit and to evoke emotions that could unsteady people and cause them to doubt or to question their narratives.

This is something I don't really do it other contexts. But this is a forum where people mostly shout their options at others. So, I feel like there's something that's verging on a kind of catharsis as I tend to keep my judgments to myself as I don't really have a context to release all the feelings I have about all this crazy manosphere stuff that's all over the place.

But I can also set that totally to the side and fully see the vulnerabilities that make all of that run. But when I do that, I am not able to be in touch with my own vulnerability and anger. 

So, I treat this as my place where I get to be a bit combative and polarizing when I'm typically doing the opposite.

But in honestly, I've found that having these sorting mechanisms have served me pretty well. Sorting is the most important skill a woman can develop as it pertains to developing a healthy social circle and getting into a relationship with a healthy and compatible partner.

So, that's something that's more of a background mechanism that I don't even have to think about it.

[Clarence]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Here it is important to draw a distinction between blackpill vs Blackpill, just like between fascism vs Fascism, or nazi vs Nazi, or democracy vs Democrat.

Blackpill uppercase is a specific community and ideology as I explained above.

blackpill lowercase is a generic term in pop-culture which roughly means getting very disillusioned on a thing by learning some harsh truth about it. Like, you might get blackpilled on eating meat if you ever visit a slaughter house or factory farm.

When I speak about blackpilling in regards to our work here, it's always in the lowercase generic sense. And even then it's said half jokingly.

I didn't know there were two different concepts and so two different meanings. It makes sense now how I got the definition so wrong.

Half-jokingly in the sense that you didn't make it sound serious while it should have been made serious? I never got that you were half-joking. I always thought you were being very serious.

Or in the sense that you agree you were speaking seriously, but we should have got that you were half-joking (which I missed entirely).

I'm very confused about the true meaning. It isn't obvious to me which one it is.

[Leo Gura]

@Clarence

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Thank God 

[gengar]

On 12-1-2025 at 0:48 AM, Leo Gura said:

 

Do you see how many men are struggling with reproduction these days?

Why do you think these days they struggle more than before?

My jaw is permanently locked making it impossible to kiss and hold conversations. Is it over for me? Do women have an internal drive to not be with me?

You talked about genes making you incel. What do you mean by this?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

Why do you think these days they struggle more than before?

Because the internet itself has made socialization a rare skill.

1 hour ago, gengar said:

My jaw is permanently locked making it impossible to kiss and hold conversations. Is it over for me? Do women have an internal drive to not be with me?

I don't know your situation so I can't comment on that.

1 hour ago, gengar said:

You talked about genes making you incel. What do you mean by this?

I mean that some people are more introverted and the like which makes getting laid harder. Looks too are a factor of course. Though these things can be overcome in many cases with proper mindset and action.

[Bobby_2021]

On 1/13/2025 at 7:34 AM, Emerald said:

 I notice that when I'm on here talking about anything about my experiences with being female, I don't feel like people are open to understanding me because I'm a woman talking about the female experience.

I would like to know how women actually feel like. Like really. I have seen only a handful of women who does clear articulation of what she actually feels like. 

That Queens code woman on YT does a fantastic job at this. But if a woman brings her own baggage and distorts her own words with crap, then I am out.

2 hours ago, gengar said:

Why do you think these days they struggle more than before?

Surely internet is to blame for a huge part. But here is something more to this. 

I think 20% of the male population always perished with wars and other casualiti for majority part of the human history that resulted in a surplus of women in the pool. So the men had an easier time finding mates. Now that 20% of men are alive and they want women.  

I suppose it would be easier to mate and laid with women simply by being in a place where there is a surplus of women. Competition would be less. But that's not the case anymore.

[EternalForest]

On 1/12/2025 at 8:30 PM, Emerald said:

Number one, I don't do it consciously. And I'm in a relationship, so I'm not looking for a partner. Now, it's more of a friendship sorting thing. 

I just don't feel comfortable around guys who think that way. So, I don't spend time around them. It's not even something that I'm very tuned into why I'm doing it. It's just a visceral feeling of discomfort and moving away from the source of the discomfort.

But it's something you learn to do as a woman because it makes your life a lot better. It may seem distasteful to talk about so candidly, but it just is what it is.

And if a man cannot understand why I feel that way, then he's probably not the best person to be friends with either because he won't be a safe person to express those feelings to.

This would be all be fine if it was a two way street and you could sympathize with Incels who avoid women out of discomfort and claim avoiding women makes their life better.

You just don't seem to view men and women on equal playing field and then expect men not be upset about it or react in a certain way. We will.

[RendHeaven]

30 minutes ago, EternalForest said:

This would be all be fine if it was a two way street and you could sympathize with Incels who avoid women out of discomfort and claim avoiding women makes their life better.

You just don't seem to view men and women on equal playing field and then expect men not be upset about it or react in a certain way. We will.

Emerald has a blatant female POV bias but you can't fault her for that, if you were a woman you would be the same.

It's not part of her job description to deeply sympathize with male pain, the same way it's not part of your job description to deeply sympathize with female pain. Obviously it would be nice if this bridge could be crossed, but that's more of a luxury. Both sides are blameless.

[EternalForest]

22 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Emerald has a blatant female POV bias but you can't fault her for that, if you were a woman you would be the same.

It's not part of her job description to deeply sympathize with male pain, the same way it's not part of your job description to deeply sympathize with female pain. Obviously it would be nice if this bridge could be crossed, but that's more of a luxury. Both sides are blameless.

In my experience, I disagree. It's treated like it very much is the job of men to perfectly sympathize with female pain or they're "not a good friend" or even boyfriend.

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, EternalForest said:

In my experience, I disagree.

Disagree with what? You think women are at fault and have blame?

1 hour ago, EternalForest said:

It's treated like it very much is the job of men to perfectly sympathize with female pain or they're "not a good friend" or even boyfriend.

Who cares what people think? Stop letting people dictate your "job description"

[Emerald]

8 hours ago, EternalForest said:

This would be all be fine if it was a two way street and you could sympathize with Incels who avoid women out of discomfort and claim avoiding women makes their life better.

You just don't seem to view men and women on equal playing field and then expect men not be upset about it or react in a certain way. We will.

I think you mean MGTOW not Incels.

What I'm talking about is very different than men who claim to avoid women to make their life better because they're saying they're avoiding women altogether. And that dynamic comes from overgeneralizing women and misogynistic feelings.

But I would never avoid men altogether because there are plenty of men that are great people. And I am very blessed to have a lot of wonderful men in my life. And I am not a misandrist.

I just naturally have learned to sort (men and women) from my social circle when they have qualities that aren't conducive to my own well-being. These are skills you learn early on as a woman.

And if you don't learn to sort properly, it will be at your own peril.

And if men give off misogynistic vibes, then I avoid getting close to them. I don't even have to consciously try to do it. It's just automatic.

[Emerald]

7 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

Emerald has a blatant female POV bias but you can't fault her for that, if you were a woman you would be the same.

It's not part of her job description to deeply sympathize with male pain, the same way it's not part of your job description to deeply sympathize with female pain. Obviously it would be nice if this bridge could be crossed, but that's more of a luxury. Both sides are blameless.

My entire point is to express my subjective perspective as a woman to shed some light on how that bias is from the lived perspective.

I can sympathize and even empathize with male pain. And I try to share what it's really like for a woman to try to get men to see through the false narratives that cause them to suffer so much.

But despite my ability to sympathize/empathize, that doesn't mean that I'm going to become buddy-buddy with a guy who gives off woman-hating vibes. It's just unpleasant to be around.

And it's fairly obvious to pick up on. So, no woman who's got a decent level of self-esteem and a decent level of awareness is going to overlook things like that.

[Emerald]

7 hours ago, EternalForest said:

In my experience, I disagree. It's treated like it very much is the job of men to perfectly sympathize with female pain or they're "not a good friend" or even boyfriend.

Romantic partners are wise to listen to and empathize with their partners' pain.

But I don't know if that's an actual double standard that exists in the direction of men where men have to sympathize with their partners and not the other way around.

My guess is that, if you polled a bunch of heterosexual couples, the woman would probably be the one doing the majority of the empathizing, emotional labor, and communication-related stuff in the relationship.

[RendHeaven]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

My entire point is to express my subjective perspective as a woman to shed some light on how that bias is from the lived perspective.

I can sympathize and even empathize with male pain. And I try to share what it's really like for a woman to try to get men to see through the false narratives that cause them to suffer so much.

But despite my ability to sympathize/empathize, that doesn't mean that I'm going to become buddy-buddy with a guy who gives off woman-hating vibes. It's just unpleasant to be around.

And it's fairly obvious to pick up on. So, no woman who's got a decent level of self-esteem and a decent level of awareness is going to overlook things like that.

Right. Your position is faultless and blameless and valuable.