Critique My Idea For A Eugenic State

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Netanyahu is handsome though.

The Devil is a handsome fellow.

If you aren't careful you just might breed a bunch of devils.

Edited Saturday at 07:14 PM by Leo Gura

[Juns]

19 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Juns
 

I am not in a position to say without out a doubt that you are controlling, want control, etc.

What is obvious from this is that you are considering the nature of power and its different abilities through structure.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

I just wonder what it is you think may be accomplished this way.

Have you considered the other ways this has been attempted in history? What were their goals?

Could you say there is a fundamental error in the approach? What would that be? Where might we draw a line between tyranny and good government?

"I was thinking of somehow creating a separate state after gathering an online movement of like-minded people who believe in the foundational principles of this type of society. I guess you could then buy land and make a state. I know this is all just fantasy in some sense and would be hard to implement, but I think this would be the best way to do it, as the people would willingly want to live in that state. Then, you could keep on increasing the intelligence of the society over time through eugenics. Over time, this society will become dominant due to its advanced tech, just like how the British were able to conquer the world (btw, I'm not saying that this society should do that). At that point, other societies might realize that this model is better than theirs, and they may then adopt it, and that way the cultural meme would spread."

"I think that if this is done properly, in a stage yellow kind of way, where people, as I said earlier, form their own state because they like these ideas, then it could provide a solution to the problems I mentioned above. If it doesn't work, then, like in that simulation video I sent, the person who headed out into unknown territory will die, and others will know to not follow suit. But until now, the territory hasn't been properly explored, and it's definitely possible that the path to the global maximum is in that direction."

[Juns]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Genetic engineering will certain happen in the future.

Mankind's most important technological revolution will happen when we learn how to genetically modify baseline level of consciousness, not intelligence.

But intelligence will be needed to do that right? and the reason why we haven't been able to do that by now is because of our lack of intelligence and knowledge.

Edited Saturday at 07:15 PM by Juns

[Fluran]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Genetic engineering will certain happen in the future.

Mankind's most important technological revolution will happen when we learn how to genetically modify baseline level of consciousness, not intelligence.

God is dreaming the reality; how do we know what leads us stability and what not-
 

 

are you burning as well Leo? (in LA)

[Juns]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The Devil is a handsome fellow.

If you aren't careful you just might breed a bunch of devils.

It's interesting how the devil is seen as handsome in the modern world, whereas in the past, the devil was seen as ugly and hideous.

there's also a sexual nature to the devil now. The movie "the which" is a good example. 

Edited Saturday at 07:18 PM by Juns

[zurew]

22 minutes ago, Juns said:

But intelligence will be needed to do that right? and the reason why we haven't been able to do that by now is because of our lack of intelligence and knowledge.

Thats not how research works.

For scientists to have the ability to do research there is a fuck ton of things that needs to be in place, that are all done and maintained by non-scientists.

 

You have some set of premises that I would like you to give an argument for or at the very least think about. For one, I would like you to clarify what you mean by intelligent, specifically where would you draw the line, when it comes to the G factor and why specifically there?

Second question would be: Whats the argument that a prosperous society requires the amount of intelligence that you are advocating for?

You also seem to bake it in, in this whole thought experiment that innovation in and of itself is a good thing and should be optimized for, but its not obvious to me how this is necessary for a prosperous society (maybe less innovation or no innovation is whats needed for a prosperous society). Counter-intuitively the act of innovating creates more problems and more complex problems and it isn't just about solving problems . Its also unclear to me ,whether maximizing for the intelligence that you are advocating for is equivalent to maximizing innovation. 

Edited Saturday at 07:39 PM by zurew

[Leo Gura]

The Devil needs to be beautiful in order to fool people. Humans are suckers for physical beauty.

Ugliness ain't fooling anyone.

The Devil will come at you with a pair of perfect titties.

Edited Saturday at 07:54 PM by Leo Gura

[yetineti]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Replace everyone with a single AI hive mind 

Or, just like, better education.

Education can be made really powerful in 100 years. There is enormous potential for improving the edication system. We are nowhere maxed out there.

The structure of the current education system is somewhat maxed out - leaving endless room for whatever is next for education.

And I do think AI hive mind has become more than plausible. Perhaps ‘replace’ will actually just be ‘convert.’

OpenAI’s Advanced Voice mode, for premium users, now sustains something like 45min to 1hr of talk time.

Within the past few months, other features have been incorporated into the ‘Advanced Voice mode,’ specifically. The features now include: real time internet access, the ability to ‘video chat’ live stream video, have it describe or translate, upload photos, screen share, memory, analysis… - and doing it all in most languages - verbally.

If I had this growing up, I could’ve dropped out of school after 8th grade and been better than I am now.

Once time limits increase, speeds increase, local processing, activeness of models, humanoids, etc.

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People will gain the option to keep their education independent from others.

It will stabilize itself like it always has. The independent individuals and entities will lead and the dependent individuals and entities will follow.

Except standards will change.

Star Wars is a good example. The way the hive of the clones or the droids coincide with the smaller divisions, with more independent droids (like R2), or people who have kept their sovereignty.

Or Cyberpunk and the trade offs to each modification, for society or the person.

The resources game. The information resources game. Not everyone will have to hive mind.
 

Maybe you want to stay you, fight the hive mind, think the way it can not…

Or maybe it’s time to download Kong Fu and break people out of the matrix 😎.

Edited Saturday at 08:05 PM by yetineti

[Ero]

@Juns There’s no “IQ gene”. IQ is a construct and a bad one at that. 

[Lews Therin]

3 hours ago, Juns said:

It's beyond the green idea that any mention of eugenics is immoral. It's beyond the blind acceptance or rejection of racism by blue. I feel as if it is a higher-level ideology that recognizes why others may view it as problematic from their spiral stages, but it is needed due to the net good it would have on society. maybe I'm wrong about it being yellow though. 

"beyond the green idea that any mention of eugenics is immoral" When green is the stage of moral relativism?

You are essentially looking at one aspect of the system, "inteligence" and trying to optimize it for that, that is the the Orange way of life. I would say this idea of your is in between Blue and Orange, with shades of red, since the idea of taking what you want to optimize and enforcing on others is a low Blue, Blue/Red way of dealing with stuff.

Yellow would recognize that there are too many unknown factor for this to work. Once there was this guy who raised foxes for their pelts, he tried to breed only the most docile foxes to make his work easier. In the end, the pelt of the foxes ended up changing as well, so that it was no longer the product he wanted.

Same thing would probably happen with your breeding programs, not to mention other forms of backlash from the people who are being coerced.

This is literally everything Yellos know NOT to do.

If a yellow person wanted to prevent IQs from dropping they would first try to conduct vast researches into the cause of the problem, it might be that high IQ people are having less babies, it might have to do with pollution, it may be both. If it is true that high IQ people are having less babies, try and find out why, then make policies that fix those problems so you can align your interest of having more high IQ people to their interests, whatever those are.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The Devil needs to be beautiful in order to fool people. Humans are suckers for physical beauty.

Ugliness ain't fooling anyone.

The Devil will come at you with a pair of perfect titties.

If only all these right wing regressive parties all over the world were all consisted of big titty women. At least there'd be something to look at and bask in

[Ero]

7 minutes ago, yetineti said:

The structure of the current education system is somewhat maxed out - leaving endless room for whatever is next for education.

He isn’t suggesting to keep the structure. It is predicated on systematisation rather than individuation. With the OpenAI example you gave, you can imagine a point when models have a grounding in references and facts, s.t. you can have individualised tutors that don’t rest or judge. 

[yetineti]

@Ero

Yeah - did you read my whole post?

It was about how education is about to be sideswiped by AI, Open AI’s voice mode, cultural implications, etc.

I was agreeing with Leo - and what you just said. Again, did you read the post or?

Edited Saturday at 08:20 PM by yetineti

[yetineti]

@NewKidOnTheBlock

8 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

If only all these right wing regressive parties all over the world were all consisted of big titty women. At least there'd be something to look at and bask in

Have you considered looking for some to focus on? I’m sure there’s a few. They might even have better arguments than non-big tittied right wingers. 😉

[Ero]

@yetineti Yah I did. My bad, the phrasing came off as if I was correcting you. Was just adding that we need to ground the models first. 

[yetineti]

@Lews Therin

Maybe OP is trying to consider a Yellow perspective, from a different perspective?

 

[yetineti]

@Ero 

I also worded it the opposite of Leo - a bit confusing of me.

I was just trying to express how I felt the school system - while obviously not maxed to effectiveness - is almost maxed in ineffectiveness.

I love public schooling - I am not pushing for a right wing private school agenda.

I graduated about five years ago and I was honestly more interested in teachers unions, curriculum, ‘standards based grading,’ etc. than I was getting a good GPA.

We are due for change.

 

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 08:36 PM by yetineti

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

13 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@NewKidOnTheBlock

Have you considered looking for some to focus on? I’m sure there’s a few. They might even have better arguments than non-big tittied right wingers. 😉

I doubt there's any. Only ugly old men unfortunately

[yetineti]

@NewKidOnTheBlock

Yeah… even had my heart broken with this old gem. Really thought I had something. Nope - still just old men. And darn it too.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@yetineti big tittie women is the true weapon both parties need. If conservatives got them I be like "oh daamn take my freedom away any time baby. Yeah, yeah sure, whatever, close those borders, move out those illegals"