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[ryandesreu]

1:28:44 The clip starts here, an later it says- "It’s true for me, from this point of view, at this point in time, at my current development level, and next year it won't be true anymore." (so we hesitate to speak) This is true, however, this approach gives the lower perspective the influence and power from the impressionable majority. Even if you are not completely correct on something, it's better to speak than let someone who is mostly ignorant getting to influence people. In some cases. Maybe.

Edited Sunday at 01:33 PM by ryandesreu

[Leo Gura]

Thanks for all the feedback.

[Leo Gura]

14 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

@Leo Gura We have no experience in politics, yet we hold strong opinions there. We have lower quality perspectives. Book reading doesn't count as experience. 

That's true. However in a democracy you gotta vote anyway, and based on books is better than based on FoxNews and 4Chan memes.

[Twentyfirst]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is a nice start but nowhere close to a higher perspective.

When it comes to rocket science you can say "I don't know", that is better than saying you know when you don't, but that does not mean you are now on the same level as a rocket engineer.

There is genuine knowledge and insight. And there are stages of cognitive development which take years of effort to reach, just as it takes years of experience to build working rockets. You can't just not-know your way into making a rocket.

So how would intuition play into this? What if I just "somehow know" that something isn't right without knowing how to explain it

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

So how would intuition play into this? What if I just "somehow know" that something isn't right without knowing how to explain it

Intuition is like a hunch that a crime detective has. It gives you a lead to pursue. But then you gotta do solid detective work to see if the lead strikes gold. It may not. Many leads are dead ends. Also depends on how good your intuition is. Intuition needs to be trained and calibrated with feedback from investigative work.

Edited Sunday at 03:29 PM by Leo Gura

[AION]

Intuition is like autopilot on a Tesla. It needs to be honed and allowed to make mistakes and learn. And like a super computer your sub consciousness takes all that information to improve its auto pilot.

Edited Sunday at 04:36 PM by AION

[Leo Gura]

AI is a good model for intuition. It makes mistakes so you can't ever fully trust it.

Edited Sunday at 04:19 PM by Leo Gura

[Davino]

3 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

1:28:44 The clip starts here, an later it says- "It’s true for me, from this point of view, at this point in time, at my current development level, and next year it won't be true anymore." (so we hesitate to speak) This is true, however, this approach gives the lower perspective the influence and power from the impressionable majority. Even if you are not completely correct on something, it's better to speak than let someone who is mostly ignorant getting to influence people. 

I agree. I saw it both equally brilliant as comic.

Everyone shitting and jerking off in the information pool and Leo worried about entering with a bit of dust in his Actualized.org jacuzzi section.

Moreover, it doesn't take into account the fact that developmental work is infinite and that the quality standards go up as you advance. So it's a trap in the end to be overly limited by such concerns.

Edited Sunday at 04:53 PM by Davino

[Nivsch]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes. Higher emotions like inspiration, love, passion, beauty, gratitude, etc can be used to motivate you toward truth and higher development.

Makes sense to me. Less neurotic emotions that more embodying a sense of self assurance and calm.

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

See David Hawkins' emotional scale. The higher the emotion on that scale the more it helps for reach higher development.

At least the scale I see in google photos (assuming it is the full one) seems a bit oversimplified but it indeed gives a general idea of this.

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But even so, you still have to be careful with higher emotions because they can and will still be used to create spiritual fantasy and higher self-deception. That's the trap of many New Age forms of spirituality.

👍Ok yeah I understand

[ryandesreu]

33 minutes ago, Davino said:

Leo worried about entering with a bit of dust in his Actualized.org jacuzzi section.

Imagine if the best influencers in history took the quieter approach and allowed the bombast of, say, Hitler and the babbling of this other guy to dominate the airwaves. Things would be different today.

Props for using the word bombast, Leo. I do enjoy the jargon. 

 

 

[Nivsch]

21 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

Emotions can be signals. When you feel something strongly, it’s worth exploring to understand yourself better. Emotions can point us toward deeper truths about what matters to us or areas where we need growth or healing.

And it’s important to wait for the emotion to pass first before exploring because they can distort vision.

Yes but it is better to work with the signal when active because then you have more chance to direct communication with your subconscious. If you wait too much you will always only intellectualize about it when your brain is less in synch.

Edited Sunday at 08:03 PM by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

Imagine if the best influencers in history took the quieter approach and allowed the bombast of, say, Hitler and the babbling of this other guy to dominate the airwaves.

That's exactly what happened.

[KGrimes]

Hi Leo, after taking a break from discussing this forum and dedicating the year towards searching for truth, I have had some experiences that changed my perspective on reality. I have not finished the video yet, but I am happy that you are back, you have been a big inspiration to hop on this path, but I believe there's no such thing as different levels of perspective. There are only two. Higher and Lower.

Or the right one and the wrong one.

The right one is straight source from God, Spirit, your True Self, Infinite Consciousness.

The wrong one is the Ego. When you believe your thoughts and the world and the body, and that something can hurt you or that there's ever been a separation from the source, it's all an illusion anyway. And whenever you are not aware of this, the perspective will be lower or simply wrong. 

Whenever you are aware of your Identity and no longer identify as an ego, all you need is to simply watch your thoughts, the world an the perspective will be the right one. The Holy one.

Perhaps drugs offer an illusion of higher levels of perspective, but from my experience it's just a variety of different flavors of the same thing - right mindedness and wrong mindedness. 

 

I am not saying i am 100% right here, just entertaining these ideas in my head after recent realizations I had.

[ryandesreu]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes but it is better to work with the signal when active because then you have more chance to direct communication with your subconscious. If you wait too much you will always only intellectualize about it when your brain is less in synch.

If the objective is to explore or work with the emotion this is true. If the objective is decision making or taking action, I personally wait for balance to return first.

[ryandesreu]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's exactly what happened.

Yes, but the higher perspective fought against sHitler and eventually won. If the higher had stayed quiet we would be speaking German right now. 

[Thought Art]

@ryandesreu In a physical war? I don't think ideologies/ perspective speaking up won that issue but economy and war. 

Edited Sunday at 11:16 PM by Thought Art

[Terell Kirby]

Wrote down full list of criteria of lower perspectives from video (included in attachment).

I look forward to contemplating each of these, seems like its a critical/foundational exercise to grounding our epistemology in something of substance. Thanks Leo!

Criteria for that make for quality perspectives_.docx

[ryandesreu]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

@ryandesreu In a physical war? I don't think ideologies/ perspective speaking up won that issue but economy and war. 

But my point is that the higher perspective behind the war of the Allies didn't just stay quiet for fear of being wrong. 

[Yimpa]

Who is determining what is a lower perspective and a higher perspective? Anyone can claim to have the higher perspective, even those you consider a lower perspective. And even then, the lower perspective is a higher perspective relative to the whole perspective? 

[Terell Kirby]

33 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Who is determining what is a lower perspective and a higher perspective?

There is no distinction in the Absolute sense, but if you look at our current media and political ecosystems-you can clearly see the corruption that toxic ideology/perspective has had on the functioning of society at large, these ecosystems are largely unhealthy.

Duality/distinction can help us separate healthy vs unhealthy in developing proper epistemology.

Edited Monday at 01:08 AM by Terell Kirby