Spiral Dynamics Assessment

[Carl-Richard]

52 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Who interprets the data, the AI? The AI maybe biased, as it is functioning on data given inputted to it which is biased as well..

The AI takes say a forum post or a conversation you had with your wife, then it's essentially prompted with something like "which Spiral Dynamics stages were represented in this interaction?" (but probably much more systematic and detailed, maybe multiple steps). The AI can be biased in some ways, yes, but it's a third person, like a scientist, which removes the self-inflationary ego problem.

 

52 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Why not just gain some internal awareness and do it ourselves??

Because we cannot handle much data ourselves. We have horrible bandwidth and lost of data errors. When you're answering a general question about yourself, you're working with an availability heuristic, which is just a few memories tossed up and a feeling. It's quite lousy data in itself, even self-inflation put aside. Machines can track all your utterances and give strong statistical models.

 

52 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This is the problem we are looking for outward things to do the work that we can do ourselves.. Ppl go to the movies to be entertained, but we have within Us an Imagination, if You tap into that imagination You can create whatever experience you want to experience, its 4, 5 D, movies are 2D, why downgrade when You do it yourself in a much better way...

Because you delude yourself about what you can do. You ignore what is convenient to ignore. You focus on what is convenient to focus on. You focus on what you like and suppress what you don't like.

Edited Thursday at 03:13 PM by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The AI takes say a forum post or a conversation you had with your wife, then it's essentially prompted with something "what Spiral Dynamics stages were represented in this interaction?" (but probably much more systematic and detailed, maybe multiple steps). The AI can be biased in some ways, yes, but it's a third person, like a scientist, which removes the self-inflationary ego problem.

 

 

Yes, but this is the point, don't Experience or Perceive via Ego, that has to be done first, as Ego/Identity is false self, not You, just picked up things mixed in with the already set up Karma.. As I've promoted before, first established BEING, that is You know what You are and are not and are established in what YOU ARE, then go out and perform Action or Have things in life like relationships, success, material things, accomplishments, etc...

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Because we cannot handle much data ourselves. We have horrible bandwidth and lost of data errors. When you're answering a general question about yourself, you're working with an availability heuristic, which is just a few memories tossed up and a feeling. It's quite lousy data in itself, even self-inflation put aside. Machines can track all your utterances and give strong statistical models.

 

 

Whatever the Action coming out of Us, first comes the Intention, the basic Desire, that we can be Aware of, we don't have to be Aware of every tiny word or action, I think if an AI could track this, it probably can today, it would revealing conflicting data, sometimes Your this way, other times that way, its conflicts, but I can know my intentions and Desire, and the context of it all which the AI cannot...

11 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Because you delude yourself about what you can do. You ignore what is convenient to ignore. You focus on what is convenient to focus on. You focus on what you like and suppress what you don't like.

Yes this is what I am saying, we can live way beyond what we think we can or are doing on a daily basis, this is what Realizing Potential is all about... We live the most Convenient lives in human history today, and with more distinctive likes/dis likes than ever before, identify with that then life is not lived to its highest Potential, so first establish BEING, via this what about Me drops, your Naturally healthy and happy, and then go out and live it...

[Carl-Richard]

43 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes, but this is the point, don't Experience or Perceive via Ego, that has to be done first, as Ego/Identity is false self, not You, just picked up things mixed in with the already set up Karma.. As I've promoted before, first established BEING, that is You know what You are and are not and are established in what YOU ARE, then go out and perform Action or Have things in life like relationships, success, material things, accomplishments, etc...

An observation about yourself (your behavior, your actions, your values) can be somewhat "ego aware", but not "ego independent".

Despite how spiritually awake you are, you are still dealing with limited information and perceptual constraints that we attribute to the ego:

• You can only hold 7 ± 2 things in your head at once
• You do tend to focus on what sustains you and nurtures you rather than what diminishes or destructs you
• You have beliefs, notions and constructs that uphold your perception of the world and blinds you to some things and focuses you on some things over others
• etc.

Survival in human form is a game of priority and limited resources. If your data collection only relies on structures that run directly on these constraints, that will be reflected in your data.

 

43 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Whatever the Action coming out of Us, first comes the Intention, the basic Desire, that we can be Aware of, we don't have to be Aware of every tiny word or action, I think if an AI could track this, it probably can today, it would revealing conflicting data, sometimes Your this way, other times that way, its conflicts, but I can know my intentions and Desire, and the context of it all which the AI cannot...

A stage Red teenager can have the intention and desire to be a Stage Yellow philosopher, but there is of course some potential conflict there. Would it not be interesting to see how the teenager reacts in situations and challenges in everyday life and see if their self-proclaimed intentions and desires are actually aligned with their behavior? Besides, if your self-proclaimed desires say one thing but your behavior says another, what do you really desire?

 

43 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes this is what I am saying, we can live way beyond what we think we can or are doing on a daily basis, this is what Realizing Potential is all about... We live the most Convenient lives in human history today, and with more distinctive likes/dis likes than ever before, identify with that then life is not lived to its highest Potential, so first establish BEING, via this what about Me drops, your Naturally healthy and happy, and then go out and live it...

You can do that, but yet you only have 7 ± 2 things in your mind at any moment, you only have two eyes, two ears, ten fingers, etc.

Edited Thursday at 04:03 PM by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

An observation about yourself (your behavior, your actions, your values) can be somewhat "ego aware", but not "ego independent".

Despite how spiritually awake you are, you are still dealing with limited information and perceptual constraints that we attribute to the ego:

• You can only hold 7 ± 2 things in your head at once
• You do tend to focus on what sustains you and nurtures you rather than what diminishes or destructs you
• You have beliefs, notions and constructs that uphold your perception of the world and blinds you to some things and focuses you on some things over others
• etc.

Survival in human form is a game of priority and limited resources. If your data collection only relies on structures that run directly on these constraints, that will be reflected in your data.

 

A stage Red teenager can have the intention and desire to be a Stage Yellow philosopher, but there is of course some potential conflict there. Would it not be interesting to see how the teenager reacts in situations and challenges in everyday life and see if their self-proclaimed intentions and desires are actually aligned with their behavior? Besides, if your self-proclaimed desires say one thing but your behavior says another, what do you really desire?

 

You can do that, but yet you only have 7 ± 2 things in your mind at any moment, you only have two eyes, two ears, ten fingers, etc.

Not to derail this thread but in regards to what You said about how many things we can do at the sametime, Sadhguru answers this brilliantly..

 

[trenton]

I have a mix of many values, but mainly focus on yellow and turquoise. Part of me recognizes that direct consciousness of infinite potential is probably better than systemic analysis, but in practice I don't have this kind of consciousness.

[Carl-Richard]

11 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Not to derail this thread but in regards to what You said about how many things we can do at the sametime, Sadhguru answers this brilliantly..

14 activities is still limited, isn't it? As long as you are in human form, or really just in form in general, you will have limitations, so the points still apply. But we don't have to go into deep metaphysical speculation to acknowledge that there are definitely limitations to taking a questionnaire, and that a machine will be better able to handle a larger quantity of data, and more reliably. Maybe you can have a certain kind of deeper qualitative knowledge of yourself in some ways that the machine cannot, but I will argue that this will not be captured by a single sentence on a questionnaire either.

Edited Friday at 04:05 AM by Carl-Richard

[Daniel Balan]

I always knew that I am off the rails but I always fancied myself a watermelon. Green coating with a violent red within. But I never assumed that what I identified as red was in fact beige. I didn't even knew beige exists. From @Leo Gura's video's I assumed that Beige is a stage for the mentally impaired people and for literal monkeys. But still I think the test was pretty damn good! In my mind I tried to analyse myself before knewing about this test and I evaluated myself as 50% green, 35% red and 15% orange. Your test was kinda close to my estimates. Thank you for sharing this!

Edited Friday at 11:30 PM by Daniel Balan

[UnbornTao]

Probably, if you pay attention, you could respond the questionnaire in way that aligns with the result you want. 

[Daniel Balan]

14 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Probably, if you pay attention, you could respond the questionnaire in way that aligns with the result you want. 

I've noticed that. If I wanted I'd have responded in a way that it would have resulted in 100% Turquoise. But I deliberately chose to answer with the most genuine answer that was the most accurate acording to my worldview and mental state.

Edited Friday at 11:58 PM by Daniel Balan

[Daniel Balan]

8 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I always knew that I am off the rails but I always fancied myself a watermelon. Green coating with a violent red within. But I never assumed that what I identified as red was in fact beige. I didn't even knew beige exists. From @Leo Gura's video's I assumed that Beige is a stage for the mentally impaired people and for literal monkeys. But still I think the test was pretty damn good! In my mind I tried to analyse myself before knewing about this test and I evaluated myself as 50% green, 35% red and 15% orange. Your test was kinda close to my estimates. Thank you for sharing this!

@Leo Gura have you ever seen such a strange combo? Beige and red violent psyche coupled with a stage green nature loving, emotional, egalitarian heart? How such a combo is even possible? Red and Green seem the polar opposites yet I feel like having a superpower, being feminine, emotional, defined by the fight for social justice, yet cold, violent, merciless against those I that I deem my enemies. 

[Bjorn K Holmstrom]

17 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Leo Gura have you ever seen such a strange combo? Beige and red violent psyche coupled with a stage green nature loving, emotional, egalitarian heart? How such a combo is even possible? Red and Green seem the polar opposites yet I feel like having a superpower, being feminine, emotional, defined by the fight for social justice, yet cold, violent, merciless against those I that I deem my enemies. 

My mother also got her main as Green and secondary as Beige, I think it is a nurturing profile; her focus has always been on maintaining our family.

Fun to see so many people doing the assessments!

I have continued work on the website, the latest addition is an interactive global map: https://www.spiralize.org/spiral?tab=visualizations
It is very tricky to assess countries on the spiral, capturing all the nuances would take an amount of work I am not quite ready for, so it is a simplified approach. But I added tertiary stages for the Nordic countries and USA.

I also added a stage comparison matrix, including clashes and bridging strategies between stages.

Edited Sunday at 01:29 AM by Bjorn K Holmstrom
new additions to same page tab on website, new post not necessary

[Daniel Balan]

I'd say that beige is actually the healthy manifestations of red. And before your test I assessed myself being 50% green 35%red and 15% orange. To me beige is not a stage. It is survival. You can't talk spiral dynamics unless you are alive. Anyways I believe that in order to be truly green you need to be half red. Green on it's own is too soft to do anything, It would be eaten alive by orange and blue. A truly green person in order to protect the environment, to care for others, needs to be able to punch in the face the corrupt people who benefit from raping the earth, from exploiting the workers and so on. Without a red backbone green is just whining and complaining behind his keyboard. Because Im half red half green when I see someone bullying someone weaker I don't try to reason with words with the bully, I kick him in the head first then I try to convince him peacefully to never bully defenseless people ever again. 

[Daniel Balan]

@Bjorn K Holmstrom Regarding the map, Ukraine is definitely red, so is Belarus. Romania is half red half blue , so is Moldova. If I were you I would add for each countries double stages. Russia could be half blue half red. The same for Ukraine and Moldova and Romania. Hungary you can say that is solid blue. Poland the same solid blue. Germany is Blue/Orange. So is France and the Uk. The Nordic countries are Orange/ Green. The US is blue/orange

Edited Sunday at 12:54 PM by Daniel Balan

[Carl-Richard]

You could create a Spiral Development Index, e.g. based on other indexes like the Corruption Perceptions Index or Democracy Index (and other data you might find relevant), and then you can give each country its own score (and maybe a color scale from blue to white). And you could give an info chart that maps the SD stages onto the blue-white scale, representing the country's "center of gravity", and make an option to switch the graphic between the blue-white scale and the SD center of gravity.

Edited Sunday at 05:38 PM by Carl-Richard