What keeps people going through adversity? Maintaining a strong mindset.

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Now you can go into the world and be forever happy with this new philosophy. Wohoo! 

Case closed. 

You seem happy with that philosophy at least that’s good 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

You seem happy with that philosophy at least that’s good 

It's just honesty not a philosophy really. 

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I want more yes. 

Mark that on your forehead. Make a tattoo out of it. Live it with every breath. Not because it's a great philosophy but because that is honesty to what your heart truly wants. And you'll discover God's participation in your life in every step that you take. And he knows how to have fun

Edited Thursday at 04:55 PM by Salvijus

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Salvijus said:

It's just honesty not a philosophy really. 

Mark that on your forehead. Make a tattoo out of it. Live it with every breath. Not because it's a great philosophy but because that is honesty to what your heart truly wants. 

Thanks

[Ulax]

@Sugarcoat Seeing overcoming adversity as a hero’s journey helps me. As well as keeping in mind the mastery curve and being patient. I watch Leo’s video on patience from time to time to help me.

I just keep experimenting, reflecting and plodding along my path. And I trust that eventually I will get results.

I think what also helps is I’ve had some journeys where I have seen noticeable progress such as boxing and pick-up. And I can see the mastery curve and hero’s journey elements at play there. So I can relate my present stage of my journey now to when I was at that stage in those other journeys if that makes sense.

So that is what helps me I’d say.

All best mate 🤙.

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, Ulax said:

@Sugarcoat Seeing overcoming adversity as a hero’s journey helps me. As well as keeping in mind the mastery curve and being patient. I watch Leo’s video on patience from time to time to help me.

I just keep experimenting, reflecting and plodding along my path. And I trust that eventually I will get results.

I think what also helps is I’ve had some journeys where I have seen noticeable progress such as boxing and pick-up. And I can see the mastery curve and hero’s journey elements at play there. So I can relate my present stage of my journey now to when I was at that stage in those other journeys if that makes sense.

So that is what helps me I’d say.

All best mate 🤙.

Good you found something that works for you

[Ulax]

@Sugarcoat Thank you mate

[UnbornTao]

@Sugarcoat Why did you start this thread?

Pain and suffering are not the same thing. Can suffering actually be found in the body? That’s something for you to explore on your own. It seems to me that suffering contains pain, but not the other way around. Consider that, although there are no pain receptors in your smartphone, if it gets broken or stolen, you will likely go through a painful event, and suffer, even if it is a minor annoyance. This suffering is of your own making, based on what you identify yourself with. And this is just a specific, superficial example. Pay attention to the activity of interpretation itself, and how the way you interpret events generates so much inner turmoil. This is just one domain to look into. 

You'd be considered stubborn, not insane, for resisting any change that you presumably want to go through, unless you're lying to yourself about wanting to transcend your condition. You could wonder: What purpose is this serving for me? What do I get out of it? Am I actually willing to drop it? 

Regarding thinking, a much deeper activity is occurring beneath the surface of your experience. Look at any small object in front of you and notice how the mind immediately brings up associations, meaning, stories, and use relative to the perception of the object. This isn't usually recognized as such, but is nonetheless occurring. This could be called part of the activity of thinking.  So, you can see it isn't just a superficial thing that happens independent of your conception (see, another activity) of an objective, external reality. 

If you happened to create your self, couldn't your state also be created by you?

Work on building a different state. Just for fun, consider yourself an actor and actually become:

• angry
• jealous
• depressed
• joyful
• curious
• vulnerable
• loving
• apathetic
• hopeful
• relaxed

Make it real in your experience.

Anyway, that was too much. In a nutshell: Just become responsible for your experience, and free yourself from what's dysfunctional and ineffective -- if that's what you want. 

Edited 9 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Rishabh R]

@Sugarcoat Growth mindset . Reframing the adversity.

[Sugarcoat]

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Why did you start this thread?

It’s a form of self expression 

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Sugarcoat

Pain and suffering are not the same thing. Can suffering actually be found in the body? That’s something for you to explore on your own. It seems to me that suffering contains pain, but not the other way around.

Have you yourself mastered a kind of mindfulness technique or something where pain is no longer suffering? Because for me pain is equal to suffering. And it is located in the body.

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Consider that, although there are no pain receptors in your smartphone, if it gets broken or stolen, you will likely go through a painful event, and suffer, even if it is a minor annoyance. This suffering is of your own making, based on what you identify yourself with. And this is just a specific, superficial example. Pay attention to the activity of interpretation itself, and how the way you interpret events generates so much inner turmoil. This is just one domain to look into. 

 

That I would agree with. 
 

 

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

 

You'd be considered stubborn, not insane, for resisting any change that you presumably want to go through, unless you're lying to yourself about wanting to transcend your condition. You could wonder: What purpose is this serving for me? What do I get out of it? Am I actually willing to drop it? 

 

Those are all valid questions. I understand it can be hard to comment on something when one doesn’t know what the person is going through. 
 

 

 

You said :”Regarding thinking, a much deeper activity is occurring beneath the surface of your experience. Look at any small object in front of you and notice how the mind immediately brings up associations, meaning, stories, and use relative to the perception of the object. This isn't usually recognized as such, but is nonetheless occurring. This could be called part of the activity of thinking.  So, you can see it isn't just a superficial thing that happens independent of your conception (see, another activity) of an objective, external reality. “

Something happened with the quoting so I put it like this instead. I did a little observation and I didn’t notice my mind bringing up those things relative to the perception of an external object.

 

My mind tends to be very centered around me (I know it sounds narcissistic but it’s the truth) so maybe another “object” that could be included here even if you didn’t consider it, is the object that I am. Or maybe I’m a subject. But nonetheless I notice my mind making a lot of thoughts referring to my SELF, as if I’m an object. This is a significant activity of thinking. 
 

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@SugarcoatIf you happened to create your self, couldn't your state also be created by you?

 

I dont think I create my self. I’d say that my self is here as a SENSE of self, but my mind can be thinking about it. But I’m open to the possibility of creating my own state partly, at least contributing to it. I find by changing my own mindset I can sometimes bring less stress to myself. To a certain extent.
 

 

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@SugarcoatJust for fun, consider yourself an actor and actually become:

• angry
• jealous
• depressed
• joyful
• curious
• vulnerable
• loving
• apathetic
• hopeful
• relaxed

Make it real in your experience.

Anyway, that was too much. In a nutshell: Just become responsible for your experience, and free yourself from what's dysfunctional and ineffective -- if that's what you want. 

I’m def apathetic 😹

One of my issues is that I have practically zero emotional life. So for now I can’t make myself experience those things. Not that I’ve tried every method there is out there; but I don’t even know what method I could try to try to bring those things about. 
 

I experience that I can have some influence over my own experience, through for example working with mindset as I said. That’s one way. But certain things I experience that I can’t affect, for now at least. Btw I can say i am  going to the doctor and taking meds with my struggles, so that’s another way of taking responsibility, even if it includes external influence. Once again it can be hard to comment on someone whom you don’t know what they’re going through. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

@Sugarcoat Growth mindset . Reframing the adversity.

I’ve also found working with mindset helps to reduce stress around my issue. Although as I said I find it difficult to maintain a strong mindset at times when things get harder. That’s kind of the definition of being strong, its supposed to be hard

Edited 3 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[PurpleTree]

On 2025-01-08 at 10:55 PM, Sugarcoat said:

 

This past year has been the worst in my life, and I have been having regular suicidal thoughts. Sometimes it’s so bad I’ll have suicidal thoughts from the morning I wake up until I go to sleep pretty much. 

Sorry to hear that. Me too recently i have this chronic fatigue and chronic pain and caught a flu or something two weeks ago and since then the pain got much worse. And then suicidal thoughts just come up often. But for me the funny thing is that was always my go to. Whenever i suffer i think of death and not wanting to be here. Like when i was 9 some stuff in my family happened and this horrible kid bullied me at school and then i basically threatened the school with suicide already at 9. But so far it has never really come very close. I just want an exit strategy.

Edited 57 minutes ago by PurpleTree

[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Sorry to hear that. Me too recently i have this chronic fatigue and chronic pain and caught a flu or something two weeks ago and since then the pain got much worse. And then suicidal thoughts just come up often. But for me the funny thing is that was always my go to. Whenever i suffer i think of death and not wanting to be here. Like when i was 9 some stuff in my family happened and this horrible kid bullied me at school and then i basically threatened the school with suicide already at 9. But so far it has never really come very close. I just want an exit strategy.

Thanks

Sorry youre going through that. But hey according to the Tao guy pain isn’t suffering so if we could just somehow stop suffering the pain😹

Suicidal thoughts are like a cope. 
 

I remember having at least once suicidal thoughts when younger but nothing serious . Now it’s more serious 

It can be weirdly comforting to think of suicide. But I try to maintain a strong mindset as I said and it works sometimes. 

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thanks

Sorry youre going through that. But hey according to the Tao guy pain isn’t suffering so if we could just somehow stop suffering the pain😹

Suicidal thoughts are like a cope. 
 

I remember having at least once suicidal thoughts when younger but nothing serious . Now it’s more serious 

It can be weirdly comforting to think of suicide. But I try to maintain a strong mindset as I said and it works sometimes. 

Thanks. Yea it seemingly gives you an (illusory) amount of power. Like ok you stupid universe you want to bully me. Well i’m not going to be bullied by you seeee ya. 

Edited 34 minutes ago by PurpleTree

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Thanks. Yea it seemingly gives you an (illusory) amount of power. Like ok you stupid universe you want to bully me. Well i’m not going to be bullied by you seeee ya. 

Yea I swear 

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea I swear 

But like 2 days ago i had all these thoughts come up about an “exit strategy” and what not and it was just a loopy whirlwind of thoughts. And then i thought I’m really not choosing those thoughts so there is really no control. (Which is just like one of the very basic premises of spirituality obviously)

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

But like 2 days ago i had all these thoughts come up about an “exit strategy” and what not and it was just a loopy whirlwind of thoughts. And then i thought I’m really not choosing those thoughts so there is really no control. (Which is just like one of the very basic premises of spirituality obviously)

Thoughts can feel like a choice though so that’s the sticky illusion