Can’t Get Enough Calories On Meat-Based, Carnivore Without Exceeding Protein Limit

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, toasty7718 said:

with the fact that it’s virtually impossible for a neurosurgery resident to have time for his coaching business and all the interviews/social media. In his debates it's made clear than he has no idea what he's talking about most the time and doesn't even read the studies he cites.

You just lie there

[PurpleTree]

20 hours ago, toasty7718 said:

I think it would be a good idea personally to watch some debates between carnivore diet gurus and people who actually know what they're talking about. It's actually a wake up call to many of them to step out of their echo chambers, and it reveals all manner of logical contradictions and fallacies.

Anthony Chaffee is a resident and honestly I’ve heard some things that make me suspect he may not even be able to complete residency, but it’s mostly hearsay from people who went to school with him along with the fact that it’s virtually impossible for a neurosurgery resident to have time for his coaching business and all the interviews/social media. In his debates it's made clear than he has no idea what he's talking about most the time and doesn't even read the studies he cites.

I think it’s better to just try it and see what it does instead of watching debates.

[Recursoinominado]

Most calories come from fat, not protein.

Like 80% calories from fat and 20% from protein.

[The0Self]

154g of fat plus 154g protein would be 2000cals. If you eat leaner such that you’re only getting enough fat for the body’s needs, you could get 50g fat (450cals) and then to get 2000cals you’d need (2000-450)/4= 387.5g protein. That could probably be done on carnivore but who cares? You don’t “need” 2000 cals. Just eat all meat until you’re not hungry, if that’s your diet. Protein need is basically just 80+ grams a day, and of course, 387.5 > 80. Now if you’re talking about not wasting protein by getting more than the amount that provides additional benefit (generally 240-280g/day is where leanness benefits cap out; all other benefits, like muscle growth support, cap out way lower) then yeah you’d be “wasting” protein, but not really, because the nature of the all-meat diet is just what it is. Take the good with the bad if it’s the diet that works best for you.

I will say though, if you are athletic, you’ll get better results with carbs, if you can handle them—But if you can’t, then obviously you can’t. Carb intake should match activity level for most “balanced” diets (does not really apply to carnivore diet), fat should be above minimum requirements (some put this as low as 10-20g a day but 30-60g would be safer), and protein should be at least 70-80g and preferably 100+ — in fact, if weight training in the hypertrophic rep range (especially in the sweet spot: 4-14RM weights, to failure or very close to failure) then going way above the usual requirement of 70-100g can slightly but surely bolster your gains…with max growth at .8g per lb of lean body mass divided into 4 doses a day…which usually works out to about 25-40g 4x/day. And like I stated earlier, you get (slight; subject to diminishing returns) additional leanness benefits all the way up to 240-280g protein (assuming you don’t weigh more than 280lb because in that case you’d probably get benefits all the way up to [your weight in pounds]=x grams of protein daily but unless you’re 7 feet tall this is probably far from a healthy bodyweight).

Edited Sunday at 05:09 PM by The0Self

[Schizophonia]

[MarkKol]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Disgusting lol

That's some Eddie Abbew ass diet, this makes me think you put 12 plain-boiled eggs on a plate and eat them as he does. I should've bonked you on the head when I drove to London from Croatia, I passed right next to you, you saw it on my Instagram.

Edited Sunday at 08:40 PM by MarkKol

[Rasheed]

@Recursoinominado Indeed. Fat should be 80%—that move is a game changer.

[Schizophonia]

13 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Disgusting lol

That's some Eddie Abbew ass diet, this makes me think you put 12 plain-boiled eggs on a plate and eat them as he does. I should've bonked you on the head when I drove to London from Croatia, I passed right next to you, you saw it on my Instagram.

You should have come.

I would have brought back croissants and magic mushrooms.

[toasty7718]

On 1/17/2025 at 4:40 PM, PurpleTree said:

I think it’s better to just try it and see what it does instead of watching debates.

True to some extent...

But you can't "feel" the plaque growing in your arteries 

[Bogdan]

@Schizophonia apparently the problem with that is that high fat high carb creates a lot of damage. Theoretically the body never had in it's evolution access to hundreds of grams of carbs every day, on top of loads of fat.

I mean from the research i've done, if one has a nice fatty meal, even a little bit of sugar creates inflammation and damage. This "Randall cycle" activates and stuff. Which is great for survival, but not great for modern access to food.

And depending on your genetics and diet and sleep and human connection etc, if constantly day in day out ur eating lots of carbs and fats, you might clog your arteries, or get cancer, diabetes, or be quite resilient until ur super old, who knows. But some damage is still being done at some level.

From my understanding.

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, Bogdan said:

@Schizophonia apparently the problem with that is that high fat high carb creates a lot of damage. Theoretically the body never had in it's evolution access to hundreds of grams of carbs every day, on top of loads of fat.

I mean from the research i've done, if one has a nice fatty meal, even a little bit of sugar creates inflammation and damage. This "Randall cycle" activates and stuff. Which is great for survival, but not great for modern access to food.

And depending on your genetics and diet and sleep and human connection etc, if constantly day in day out ur eating lots of carbs and fats, you might clog your arteries, or get cancer, diabetes, or be quite resilient until ur super old, who knows. But some damage is still being done at some level.

From my understanding.

All my health markers get better when I eat both lots of fat and sugar.