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Elon Musk Shenanigans thread

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2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Elons Heart goes out to you. 

The scariest part is that he fully believes he's saving America from evil.

Let that be a lesson to you in the relativity of evil.

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@Leo Gura Hmm. 


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Honestly. Leo, do you trust the universe or no?


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Just now, Thought Art said:

Honestly. Leo, do you trust the universe or no?

I trust that the universe can kill you any day for its own good.

:)


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@Leo Gura Good.


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You want it darker. We kill the flame. 
 

 

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Your whole life has been a candle in a rainstorm. Appreciate it while it lasts.


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@Leo Gura Hineni.


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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

As I said, he's not a Nazi. He's an egomaniac drunk on power.

It is much too late in the game to be acting shocked at a Trump loyalist flashing fascist symbols. That was already baked into the cake. The fascism is here. It lives in the White House. Salute or not doesn't matter now.

Why are someone who is doing a fascist salute not a nazi, like do he have to join a nazi party? when will people open their eyes! I was shocked and it triggered me deeply seeing him doing the salute. I hate that I have become unsure that it even was fascist salute because of all the gaslighting.  MAGA IS ABUSE OF THE MIND! 

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44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your whole life has been a candle in a rainstorm. Appreciate it while it lasts.

You need a hug dude

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@Leo Gura

Ok, so I think I take your point. You're right that I don't truly know what fruits Elon has produced and if I did know them, it might lessen my disdain for him. If that's your point, I get it.

So, I just looked up what all he's actually done. 

The issue I'm running into is that it's hard to attribute actual gains to him that wouldn't have occurred around the same time without him. As far as I can tell, his greatest achievement was to assemble teams of engineers to figure out how to reduce costs to launch rockets and satellites. So arguably, his biggest achievement is hiring a team and pressuring them to come up with breakthroughs.

Fucking around in space is not some great thing for humanity at this point in time. Sure, Starlink internet access to those living in bumfuck is a good thing, but it's doing little for humanity on the whole. Neither is shuttling things to and from government space stations. The real power of the satellites is monopolized by the elites, so I don't see how his SpaceX ventures contribute much. 

If he were to have hired biotechs and pressured them to work 80 hour weeks to find a cure for cancer, I still wouldn't revere him or think he was any less of an asshole. Only if he himself was technically instrumental in finding the cure... then I'd say he was owed credit, regardless of his character. 

He is not owed credit for getting lucky with PayPal, having a strong will to power, and then using that money mixed with some vision and strategy to build or buy out other companies and pay people to do things.

I don't see that he's done much that the 70th percentile intellect with a strong will to power couldn't also achieve with PayPal money.

Look at Bill Gates. He wasn't some freak of nature. He was in the right place at the right time. Same thing with Elon Musk. There is no great phenomenon... just a lucky fool with a little vision and strategy. 

I acknowledge he played a part in the list items below, but how much to attribute to him is debatable. Am I just biased or is it possible you attribute to him more than what seems evident from REALITY? 

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28 minutes ago, JTL said:

Why are someone who is doing a fascist salute not a nazi,

How is it not obvious to you that "Nazi salute" is your mind's interpretation of it and he obviously doesn't interpret it that way?

Is this really so hard for you to understand?

Yeah, very few people in politics are Nazis. When you call them that it's because your mind is sloppy and not good at understanding other points of view.

Supporting Trump does not make one a Nazi.

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14 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Look at Bill Gates. He wasn't some freak of nature. He was in the right place at the right time. Same thing with Elon Musk. There is no great phenomenon... just a lucky fool with a little vision and strategy. 

Again, you totally misunderstand how insanely difficult it is to create what Musk or Bill Gates created. No ordinary human could do it.

You say such uninformed things because you haven't actually created anything challenging. It's obvious from your flippant attitude.

You can't just sit and criticize people who create amazing things while you created nothing. That ends in pure delusion.

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Again, you totally misunderstand how insanely difficult it is to create what Musk or Bill Gates created. No ordinary human could do it.

You say such uninformed things because you haven't actually created anything challenging. It's obvious from your flippant attitude.

I'm open to being wrong but I disagree. I think innovation on the level of Gates and Musk would be somewhat common if everyone lucked up with a few hundred million. 

Once you get lucky like that and get your first few hundred million, I get the sense it's not difficult to hire the world's best consultants to guide you in hiring the world's best recruiters to find the best managers to manage other managers to produce whatever you want, but first, hire the best financial consultants to set up investments/money printers so you never run out of money.

I'm not saying it'd be easy, but if you have a strong will to power, a decent intellect, and a few hundred million, I don't see it as a monumental undertaking to innovate. I could be naive in this regard, as I've never done anything like it, but something makes me think having hundreds of millions of dollars lowers the barrier to innovation to such that about 20 -25% of the population would be capable of similar achievements if they simply had the initial luck and capital. 

Bill Gates himself acknowledges the absurd luck it took for him to become what he became. He was in the exact right place at the exact right time. If he had gone to school elsewhere, we wouldn't be talking about him right now. If Elon hadn't gotten lucky with PayPal, we wouldn't be talking about him now. 


If truth is the guide, there's no need for ideology, right or left. 

Maturity in discussion means the ability to separate ideas from identity so one can easily recognize new, irrefutable information as valid, and to fully integrate it into one’s perspective—even if it challenges deeply held beliefs. Both recognition and integration are crucial: the former acknowledges truth, while the latter ensures we are guided by it. 

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1 minute ago, Joshe said:

I could be naive in this regard

Yup. You are.

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

but something makes me think having hundreds of millions of dollars lowers the barrier to innovation to such that about 20 -25% of the population would be capable of similar achievements if they simply had the initial luck and capital. 

You are wrong.

That is not how the world works.


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3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are wrong.

That is not how the world works.

Maybe I'm too generous then. That's how it would work for me 😆


If truth is the guide, there's no need for ideology, right or left. 

Maturity in discussion means the ability to separate ideas from identity so one can easily recognize new, irrefutable information as valid, and to fully integrate it into one’s perspective—even if it challenges deeply held beliefs. Both recognition and integration are crucial: the former acknowledges truth, while the latter ensures we are guided by it. 

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13 minutes ago, Joshe said:

That's how it would work for me

Do it. 

Build a small $1B dollar company to test your hippie theory. How hard could it be?

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50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't just sit and criticize people who create amazing things while you created nothing. That ends in pure delusion.

lol. What?? That makes no sense. I'm starting to think you were an actual Musk fanboy. 😂

The only way it could end in delusion is if I had an ego complex about his value or worth relative to mine, and I can assure you, I don't. I'm just trying to understand how you see his value and worth and why it matters to the degree you seem to think it does.

You seem to give worldly achievements much more weight in your estimation of characters than I do. I don't typically give much, if any weight to achievement in my estimations of character. 

I think we're just operating on different wavelengths... you being a crocodile and all. 

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do it. 

Build a small $1B dollar company to test your hippie theory. How hard could it be?

It would be difficult without some luck, but once I got 300m, I could compete with the rest of them in the innovation game. Simple. 😆

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If truth is the guide, there's no need for ideology, right or left. 

Maturity in discussion means the ability to separate ideas from identity so one can easily recognize new, irrefutable information as valid, and to fully integrate it into one’s perspective—even if it challenges deeply held beliefs. Both recognition and integration are crucial: the former acknowledges truth, while the latter ensures we are guided by it. 

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@Joshe How many mouth you feed? 1? Musk feeds thousands.


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4 minutes ago, Joshe said:

You seem to give worldly achievements much more weight in your estimation of characters than I do.

I made no claims about character. Only creation of value.

I already said many times Musk has a nasty character.

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