Elon Musk Shenanigans thread

[The Crocodile]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What you have are hippie excuses, no goods. That is why you are powerless and Musk is in the White House tonguing Trump's orange ass.

[Twentyfirst]

I have never used anything that Musk has built. Haven't used the brain chips, electric car, underground tunnel, space x, solar power, I only X which I used as twitter before. If it wasn't for him marketing his personal brand in the media you wouldn't even know he existed 

Paypal is shit! 

Marketing is a hell of a drug 

[Something Funny]

@Twentyfirst amazing logic

[JTL]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How is it not obvious to you that "Nazi salute" is your mind's interpretation of it and he obviously doesn't interpret it that way?

Is this really so hard for you to understand?

Yeah, very few people in politics are Nazis. When you call them that it's because your mind is sloppy and not good at understanding other points of view.

Supporting Trump does not make one a Nazi.

okey, I agree with that, but my point is not that Elon is nazi, but that he did a nazi salute. conservatives are gaslighting people that he did not, and that is just fucking insane. I can belive my eyes, but right wingers say no you cant   @Leo Gura

Edited 12 hours ago by JTL

[Twentyfirst]

41 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Twentyfirst amazing logic

Which of those ideas are actually birthed by him? I am pretty sure there were electric cars before. 

[Space]

15 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Which of those ideas are actually birthed by him? I am pretty sure there were electric cars before. 

No one is claiming that Musk's products were entirely his ideas. But he was the director, visionary and manager of the teams that produced the ideas.

Years ago, well before anyone knew who Musk was, I remember telling my friends that people would eventually completely forget or disregard Musk's efforts in accelerating and massively advancing the transition to electric cars. And here we are.

You do not understand the monumental effort it took to create Tesla as we see it today. It is unfathomable. Truly impossible. Think about what it takes to create a company like that. 

Musk didn't design the Tesla battery pack, or the double cast Model 3 frame, nor the industrial grade air filtration system, but you can be damn sure the car wouldn't exist without him. Electric cars would still be a pipe dream for society if Musk hadn't directed the technological advancements we see today. 

Steve Jobs didn't design the Apple products. Jonny Ive did, along with hundreds of other designers and engineers. Yet we still credit Jobs as a genuis. Not for his ideas, but his capacity to bring people together, manage, direct and force his vision into existence.

Saying all this, Musk is still a majorly flawed and often toxic individual.

Edited 12 hours ago by Space

[ryoko]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Paypal is shit! 

PayPal is from Peter Theil....

 

[Alexop]

12 hours ago, Joshe said:

Bro, I can see deep into things too. You ain't the only one with insight. I know how much balls that would take... and I don't care.

It's funny... I remember a long time ago in your videos you would say things like "you don't understand" and I liked that because I thought maybe there's something hidden that I could discover and come to understand, because that's what gets me off, but at some point along the way, I realized that that majority of the time you would say such a thing, it didn't apply to me because I actually did understand and I could see what you were seeing. It's true, the majority can't, but there is a minority out there, such as myself, that you might run into from time to time, and your usual thinking they cannot see will not always apply, as is the case here. 

My mind stays open. I have no choice in the matter. 

Anyway, that's enough for one night. Peace! ✌️☮️❣️🏳️‍🌈

Dude, you speak like a typical narcissist. Calm down and introspect. Leo spat one fking long video every week for years and years. Do you even have a damn clue of how hard is to do that without talking nonsense? 

Survival in our times is like this: you need vision, you need to take big risks, you need to fail, you need to learn from failures, and after years of fighting in the mud with other stage orange capitalists, you might come up the winner. But even if you are the coolest Orange baboon who creates the coolest company, you are still an Orange boboon, but a baboon who knows how to survive in our times. That is Musk for you.

Wake up. You are the exact kid he tells "you don't understand" to.

Edited 7 hours ago by Alexop

[Dabidoe]

 

1 hour ago, Space said:

No one is claiming that Musk's products were entirely his ideas. But he was the director, visionary and manager of the teams that produced the ideas.

Years ago, well before anyone knew who Musk was, I remember telling my friends that people would eventually completely forget or disregard Musk's efforts in accelerating and massively advancing the transition to electric cars. And here we are.

You do not understand the monumental effort it took to create Tesla as we see it today. It is unfathomable. Truly impossible. Think about what it takes to create a company like that. 

Musk didn't design the Tesla battery pack, or the double cast Model 3 frame, nor the industrial grade air filtration system, but you can be damn sure the car wouldn't exist without him. Electric cars would still be a pipe dream for society if Musk hadn't directed the technological advancements we see today. 

Steve Jobs didn't design the Apple products. Jonny Ive did, along with hundreds of other designers and engineers. Yet we still credit Jobs as a genuis. Not for his ideas, but his capacity to bring people together, manage, direct and force his vision into existence.

Saying all this, Musk is still a majorly flawed and often toxic individual.

Ideas ≠ Execution

The truth is there are millions of brilliant inventive minds but bringing those ideas to reality requires "willpower" - to go out and build the factory etc. is a monumental pain in the ass and not as fun as sketching up rockets. A lot of narcissistic assholes seem to have a lot of willpower, for better or worse.

A CEO's power is not his individual strengths or genius - but rather his ability to orchestrate others and "will" things into existence, including manufacturing and manipulating public opinion. I doubt any of those "billionaire tech ceos" are nice people, but you can't deny that they are good at what they do.  In "Think and Grow Rich" there's an anecdote about Henry Ford in the chapter on "Masterminds" that explain this well I think. Henry Ford was once asked a technical question and he responded "I doin't need to know, I pick up the phone and I can call 10 people who know it much better than me." 

I think it's sad general public spends all this time and energy talking about Billionaires and politics. Who cares? What does it all matter?

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Dabidoe

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Space said:

No one is claiming that Musk's products were entirely his ideas. But he was the director, visionary and manager of the teams that produced the ideas.

Years ago, well before anyone knew who Musk was, I remember telling my friends that people would eventually completely forget or disregard Musk's efforts in accelerating and massively advancing the transition to electric cars. And here we are.

You do not understand the monumental effort it took to create Tesla as we see it today. It is unfathomable. Truly impossible. Think about what it takes to create a company like that. 

Musk didn't design the Tesla battery pack, or the double cast Model 3 frame, nor the industrial grade air filtration system, but you can be damn sure the car wouldn't exist without him. Electric cars would still be a pipe dream for society if Musk hadn't directed the technological advancements we see today. 

Steve Jobs didn't design the Apple products. Jonny Ive did, along with hundreds of other designers and engineers. Yet we still credit Jobs as a genuis. Not for his ideas, but his capacity to bring people together, manage, direct and force his vision into existence.

Saying all this, Musk is still a majorly flawed and often toxic individual.

I have never sat in an electric car in my life

Yeah Steve Jobs changed the world. Everyone uses smartphones and apps

I like Jeff Bezos better. Amazon is divine. Everyone uses it constantly and nobody wants to go back to life without it

Edited 9 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[Joshe]

5 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Leo is trying to explain it from the point of developing a better understanding of reality. As in: how come Musk became one of thr most influential people in the world and is now standing innthe white house if he is such an idiot like leftists claim.

Yeah, I think you're right, but it's not difficult to understand that Musk has a crazy work ethic and went through a lot of shit to get where he is. I was trying to understand why Leo likes to temper criticism of Musk by acknowledging his strong work ethic, strategic vision, and contributions to humanity, all of which I acknowledge. 

Think about it like this: Donald Trump also has an insane work ethic and what he has accomplished is truly remarkable. He's been working day in and day out for decades building what he has. If I were talking about what a piece of shit Trump is, and someone speaks up and says "You have no idea what it took to accomplish what Trump has accomplished, so pipe down in your criticism because you haven't created anything yourself", you can see how  absurd that would be, right? It makes no sense. It's weird. Leo must deeply admire Musk, that's my best guess. 

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

Dude, you speak as a typical narcissist. Calm down and introspect. Leo spitted one fking long video every week for years and years. Do you even have a damn clue of how hard is to do that without talking nonsense? 

You'd make a good cult member. 

I don't care if a human works non-stop, 16 hours a day. It doesn't impress me because I've been there. You and Leo foolishly assume everyone is underdeveloped, lacks insight, vision, work ethic, etc., hence the need for correction. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Joshe

[Lyubov]

I’ve lost track of this discussion. Are we questioning Elon’s merit and effort? He is absolutely an exceptional tech entrepreneur. You could not swap him out for just any other person from a similar background. That doesn’t contradict his selfishness is destructive to the greater whole of humans who want democracy and economic equality. 

[Joshe]

2 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I’ve lost track of this discussion. Are we questioning Elon’s merit and effort? He is absolutely an exceptional tech entrepreneur. You could not swap him out for just any other person from a similar background. That doesn’t contradict his selfishness is destructive to the greater whole of humans who want democracy and economic equality. 

I was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity of why Leo invokes Elon's exceptionalism when critiques amp up. It's not important really. I'll give it a rest. 

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

 

You'd make a good cult member. 

I don't care if a human works non-stop, 16 hours a day. It doesn't impress me because I've been there. You and Leo foolishly assume everyone is underdeveloped, lacks insight, vision, work ethic, etc., hence the need for correction. 

You are projecting your hate and frustrations you have towards capitalists, and that distorts truth for you. You are disconnected from survival. People in Stage Orange societies survive similarly to how animals survive in nature. Go watch some Nat Geo Wild and see how the crocodile does not give a fuck about your equality and ethics bullshit. You are weak, you are enslaved, this is how it works. It is highly disfunctional, but this is survival nowadays. Look at Europe, they try to go Greener, but they don't see how their socialist policies and ideologies have a chance to ruin the their economy. It is like going to a crocodile and trying to negociate with him for a better deal. 

Hey Mr. Croc, would you accept to give secure drinking passage to all of our zebra herd? If you accept the deal, every week, one of our elders will sacrifice their life to you so you can eat.

That would sound like a win-win, but the croc will just eat the negotiator. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Alexop

[Schizophonia]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

An intellectually sloppy strawman.

Yes, the more "collectivist" stages (mainly blue and green today) are the ones who want censorship.

 

I could have had a less hostile vibe but i am factually right about everything i said.

Edited 6 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Stovo]

This entire thread should be a case study on how emotional feelings towards a person cloud your judgement of them in every area. 

It's like that ex that cheated on you so you can't remember any positive qualities about them. 

[yetineti]

This is the conversation Elon would want us to have.

[Lyubov]

Elon is already pressing that $500 billion Trump AI deal. Say what you want but Elon actually looks honest when you stand him side by side with Trump. Wonder how much Elon can get away with stepping on Trump’s toes. This is bound to lead to a falling out. 

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, yetineti said:

This is the conversation Elon would want us to have.

Elon wants us to have a conversation about how black women firefighters caused the California wildfires 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Elon is already pressing that $500 billion Trump AI deal. Say what you want but Elon actually looks honest when you stand him side by side with Trump. Wonder how much Elon can get away with stepping on Trump’s toes. This is bound to lead to a falling out. 

He's not honest. He says what he needs to to manipulate the public to help his business projects. This is why lies about stuff like full auto driving, etc.

He doesn't mind lying as long as it pushes his agenda forward.