Karmic thoughts: Thoughts that kidnap your consciousness

[Javfly33]

Karmic thoughts is a term I came up today for a real phenomena: Recurrent thoughts that you have not created or maintain consciously in your awareness, and that they kidnap your consciousness and intelligence.

As a real Life example: since a few days ago I slowly began to get sucked into a repetitive type of thought, It slowly destroyed and hipnotized me.

Today I went through an intense Breathing process and finally was destroyed. It turned out what I thought was my ideas, was a concrete type of thought absorbed by external influence a long time ago. 

I was convinced It was an original idea of mine that's why I wasn't able to stop thinking it, only when it was clearly seen It wasn't my idea I could finally let it go.

Edited Thursday at 06:00 PM by Javfly33

[decentralized]

Interesting. So how do you break the cycle or karmic thoughts?

[WelcometoReality]

@Javfly33 Yeah, probably how the collective unconscious work. It gets absorbed from living in society. 

[Hojo]

This is the downside of having sex with beautiful women. You will have karmic thoughts that will last forever.

[Lyubov]

Your consciousness cannot be kidnapped. You are not a victim. Please do not choose this illusion. Thank me later. 

Edited Thursday at 06:57 AM by Lyubov

[Javfly33]

16 hours ago, decentralized said:

Interesting. So how do you break the cycle or karmic thoughts?

You need intense moments of Awareness where you experience Only You and not your accumulations.

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

This is the downside of having sex with beautiful women. You will have karmic thoughts that will last forever.

LoL how are those? 

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Your consciousness cannot be kidnapped. You are not a victim. Please do not choose this illusion. Thank me later. 

Of course you can. Thats what mental illness (depression, anxiety, etc), is.

[manuel bon]

Which kind of breath work did you do?

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, manuel bon said:

Which kind of breath work did you do?

Not really a breathwork, It was Shamavhi mahamudra Kriya 

Edited Thursday at 01:15 PM by Javfly33

[Someone here]

Karmic or not ..the thinking process and overthinking are responsible for 80% suffering.  Just think of how happy and peaceful you feel when your mind is totally silent like when you are in deep meditation or deep sleep or having an orgasm etc. 

[WelcometoReality]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Karmic or not ..the thinking process and overthinking are responsible for 80% suffering.  Just think of how happy and peaceful you feel when your mind is totally silent like when you are in deep meditation or deep sleep or having an orgasm etc. 

Only 80%.. What's the other 20% caused by? 

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Karmic or not ..the thinking process and overthinking are responsible for 80% suffering.  Just think of how happy and peaceful you feel when your mind is totally silent like when you are in deep meditation or deep sleep or having an orgasm etc. 

For sure. I wanted to make a distinction because sometimes a conscious use of the Mind is possible. Generating concrete Thoughts to create or help you. But 90% of the thoughts going on is just unconscious garbage picked Up from outside. 

[Schizophonia]

That's all my life.

Meditation is supposed to help, actually manifestation stuffs is essentially about changing the mental speech.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, WelcometoReality said:

Only 80%.. What's the other 20% caused by? 

I'm not sure . It just didn't feel right to say 100% of suffering is mental..as physical bodily pain obviously exists. And some people here have deep suffering in their lives and they might feel insulted if I claimed that all their suffering is hodge. 

57 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

For sure. I wanted to make a distinction because sometimes a conscious use of the Mind is possible. Generating concrete Thoughts to create or help you. But 90% of the thoughts going on is just unconscious garbage picked Up from outside. 

Interesting.  So what exactly is the difference between conscious thoughts and thoughts which are picked from outside ? Isn't language and thinking completely dependent on learning from the external world?  How is it possible to generate a 100% original thought ? 

[Lyubov]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course you can. Thats what mental illness (depression, anxiety, etc), is.

You choose to create that mental illness and it’s entirely within your power if you so choose to no longer create it, if you are willing to be conscious how you create it and choose to stop what you are doing to create it. No one wants to hear the truth because they then realize they had their finger on the button all along and can’t hand wave their responsibility away. Nothing kidnaps your consciousness. You look through a belief and create an experience which you think your consciousness is being kidnapped but if you were to do inquiry on why this kidnapping is occurring you would realize literally nothing is causing it and it’s purely your viewpoint which you’ve chosen which you are freely able to change at any time. You can never be a victim. It’s impossible. 

Edited Thursday at 05:04 PM by Lyubov

[WelcometoReality]

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I'm not sure . It just didn't feel right to say 100% of suffering is mental..as physical bodily pain obviously exists. And some people here have deep suffering in their lives and they might feel insulted if I claimed that all their suffering is hodge. 

If we define suffering=physical pain x mental.. anguish (thoughts), I totally agree. 

I've been defining suffering=mental anguish but maybe the first definition is better. 😀

 

 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Isn't language and thinking completely dependent on learning from the external world?  How is it possible to generate a 100% original thought ? 

Yes, that is true. In the sense that all thoughts/ideas will come from language, then it will be external.

The content won´t be 100% original, but is the conscious aspect of it. You are conscious that you are creating it for a specific use. 

Kind of like driving. For driving a certain type of ideas/mechanical intelligence is needed. Yes, it is external but is a conscious use of thoughts for a specific purpose for a specific time (while you are driving).

Imagine that you park your car, you go back home and the thoughts you used for driving keep being there, for a few days. You are watching TV on the sofa but thoughts about driving are still there going on. This would be unconscious use of mind, compulsion or mind virus. 

This is how Karmic baggage works. It keeps following you wherever you go. 

 

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

 Nothing kidnaps your consciousness. You look through a belief and create an experience which you think your consciousness is being kidnapped but if you were to do inquiry on why this kidnapping is occurring you would realize literally nothing is causing it and it’s purely your viewpoint which you’ve chosen which you are freely able to change at any time. You can never be a victim. It’s impossible. 

@Lyubov In that sense yes, if you use the neccessary consciousness you won´t be a victim.

But sometimes the necessary consciousness isn´t happening. I'm not saying you don´t have it, but for some reason is not there.

Which is why for some weird reason people usually get more conscious meditating and sitting on the floor with the back straight than watching TV curled up on a sofa.

Ideally once you get Enlightened a minimum baseline of intense consciousness is there to guarantee your soveirgnity over thoughts, even if you are watching TV on sofa. But I guess there would still be limits, for example if you drink a bottle of whiskey you will lose consciousness. (Apparently the rules of the 'dream' are written very strongly while there is duality you can not bend them completely?¿)

Edited Thursday at 06:10 PM by Javfly33

[Sugarcoat]

What does karmic mean in this context?

Edited Thursday at 07:25 PM by Sugarcoat

[Javfly33]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What does karmic mean in this context?

Patters of thoughts picked up from the outside, that you did not create it yourself in this lifetime. 

For example let´s say your parents had some type of aversion to doctors. In your lifetime you never had a trouble with a doctor, but for some reason you also have an aversion type of thought towards doctors. 

The problem is not the karmic thought, which is inevitable because what you are as a bag of Karma is necessary for you to be incarnated, but the lack of distance to it. If you can´t see that is something that is simply a part of the karmic bag and instead you think you thought it yourself (feeling that the thought is you/yours), then you might live with an unnecessary aversion to doctors all your life.

Edited Thursday at 07:36 PM by Javfly33

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Patters of thoughts picked up from the outside, that you did not create it yourself in this lifetime. 

For example let´s say your parents had some type of aversion to doctors. In your lifetime you never had a trouble with a doctor, but for some reason you also have an aversion or type of thought towards doctors. That your parents had. 

Okay understood. So ideally you want your thoughts to originate from you? Or can't karmic be positive as in positive influence can come from the outside? Everything we pick up isn't bad. And its very difficult to have an original thought nowadays

[Javfly33]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Okay understood. So ideally you want your thoughts to originate from you? Or can't karmic be positive as in positive influence can come from the outside? Everything we pick up isn't bad. And its very difficult to have an original thought nowadays

Just edited my reply, maybe it answers it. @Sugarcoat

But yes, not everything is bad, if your intelligence is not contaminated you will be able to pick from the karmic bag which is useful for you, and discard which is not.

But when it is contaminated (the karmic bag is perceived as 'you') then one is unable to 'select' what is useful, one just eats the whole thing, which is not good.

Edited Thursday at 07:39 PM by Javfly33