Truth About Pornography | Dr. Jordan Peterson & Dr. Andrew Huberman

[AION]

 

[PsychedelicEagle]

Interesting analogue they mentioned comparing porn to hyperpalable, ultra-processed foods.

Also, comparing convenience stores to pharmacies, in that they sell more chemicals than anything else.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

This crusade against porn by these various influencers is so weird.

[Leo Gura]

They should do a video on whether having a rotation of 6 girlfriends changes your brain.

[vibv]

I'm against demonizing things. There is good, sensual and beautiful porn as well as a lot of really bad porn.

[Michael569]

I found the debate really painful to listen to. Its like they are completely incompatible as podcast partners. Andrew kept bringing everything into neurobiology, which I understand is his niche but it just felt so out of place so many times. Despite them being two great intellectuals, together they don't work too well, I gave up about 45 minutes in 

[Majed]

@Leo Gura If you don't have a partner. How are you supposed to meet your sexual needs without porn? Plus porn can be very interesting in an exploratory sense to find your fetishes, your sexual identity and orientation...

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura If you don't have a partner. How are you supposed to meet your sexual needs without porn? Plus porn can be very interesting in an exploratory sense to find your fetishes, your sexual identity and orientation...

Porn tends to skew your perception towards the visual aspect of sexuality. You can explore your sexuality on your own without porn (by using your imagination), but that gets harder as you grow more accustomed to that easy dopamine spike porn gives you.

[Ero]

I have a suspicion all the no-porn/ no-fap people are low-testosterone. For men with very high T levels, unless you have Hubberman's arrangement, I don't think y'all realize how distracting and all-consuming it becomes unless you have ways of releasing. 

[Aaron p]

just like psychedelics there is massive potential for harm in porn. highly developed minds might not see the potential, but holy shit...ch1dr3nexposed to porn for example (common) is very bad. there are so many ways it can be bad. it should be treated like a legalised drug. not illegal but extremely carefully managed

Edited yesterday at 08:21 PM by Aaron p

[AION]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They should do a video on whether having a rotation of 6 girlfriends changes your brain.

It is all natural so I don't see a problem with it. If you can get 6 gf's in this day and age, you deserved it.

[AION]

3 hours ago, Michael569 said:

I found the debate really painful to listen to. Its like they are completely incompatible as podcast partners. Andrew kept bringing everything into neurobiology, which I understand is his niche but it just felt so out of place so many times. Despite them being two great intellectuals, together they don't work too well, I gave up about 45 minutes in 

Interesting. To me it was a match in heaven: expert of biology and psychology in the same room. Probably they said couple of things that torn on your current porn use. I'm assuming this but it could be the case.

[PsychedelicEagle]

3 hours ago, AION said:

It is all natural so I don't see a problem with it. If you can get 6 gf's in this day and age, you deserved it.

This is the epitome of stage orange self-rationalization.

[Candle]

An experience : 

I always used to watch porn for few minutes (just to arouse myself) before masturbation. I was not a porn addict. 

Still I started a challenge to test myself. 

And after so many days without porn, I feel like it's somewhat detrimental or ugly or bad. I don't know which word to use.

I have developed a disliking. (Even though I was not an addict). While watching porn, it feels good biologically, but when we are far away from this shit, we don't feel like going there. 

I don't even feel like going there. 

Your POVs might differ. I'm just writing what I feel right now. 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Candle

[AION]

3 hours ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

This is the epitome of stage orange self-rationalization.

It was sarcasm so I don’t know what kind of epitome it is 🤦🏾

[Michael569]

13 hours ago, AION said:

Probably they said couple of things that torn on your current porn use.

That had nothing to do with porn, I didn't even get to that part of the full debate. They frequently interrupted each other, talked over each other, irrelevantly bridged over each other's subject of topic. If you listened carefully, sometimes it is as if they both went on their separate side quests. No, this wasn't a good debate. I do like both of them but they work better apart, that's all I'm saying. 

Not that it matters really 

[Something Funny]

@Michael569 what do you like about JP? 

[Michael569]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

what do you like about JP? 

He is almost like the  grandfather that each of us wishes we had. The one who would tell you stories of life while holding you on his knee as you both watch the fire crackling. He shares a lot of wisdom that boomers and silent generation knew but that Gen Z and Milenials are slowly losing as we get more and more influenced by the toxicity of social media. 

He seems to be an original thinker in the way he approaches many of the topics, at least based on what I've seen and heard elsewhere. he has been a champion for healthy stage blue and has actually pulled tons of stage red people up and pulled many stage orange people to implement more stage blue values. He is like a beacon for important conservative values that hustle culture thinks it can just walk all over, things like duty, discipline, loyalty, truth, family, faith (not religious faith).  He is almost an antidote to stage orange influence of Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan and others like them who have spread a cancer of narcissism, aggressivity and negligence among young men. JP pulls it all back and explains why being a dick doesn't work in the long run. 

I like that he points to problem right at their core, he doesn't soften things up for the audience yet he does this without abuse of swear words and foul language like most stage orange influencers who either have poor vocabulary or just don't care. His use of terminology is unmatched by anyone else out there at the moment. 

He combines lots of resources from history, mythology, antropology, science, theology and creates a lot of unique perspectives on common human issues. Again, contrary to a lot of popular advice by people who seem like they don't read at all, he arrives at conclusions through really interesting journey taking account more systemic factors. 

I could go on but I don't wanna seem like a an obsessed fanboy :D. There are many blindspots JP has, one of which being he can often dismiss other people's arguments easily if they don't match his view of the reality, which tends to hold him back from climbing up the spiral any further. he is also heavily invested in various businesses which may theoretically present a potential conflict of interest. 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Michael569

[Princess Arabia]

23 hours ago, vibv said:

I'm against demonizing things. There is good, sensual and beautiful porn as well as a lot of really bad porn.

Well, you just demonized porn.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

People keep focusing on the negative aspects of porn but they keep forgetting one thing. Is that there are actually not a lot of things that could realistically substitute porn. And not even a girlfriend or a wife can be included to that list of things, in my humble opinion. As a woman is not obligated to sleep with you just because you need it (and that's fine of course). She also wouldn't really give you that variety that you could want. Only something like a very realistic sex doll or sex dolls could actually replace porn, possibly

Edited 5 hours ago by NewKidOnTheBlock