I Pursued Enlightenment Too Early

[woohoo123]

I’m not as ‘enlightened’ as some people here and idk if I could ever say I understand your situation. But for me personally there were long stretches of my life where I felt ‘lost in love’ and I would basically just be coasting life and working on my life purpose. That lasted for a few years actually, but recently I feel that phase coming to an end.

It’s hard to say exactly what caused it, but a culmination of life events which basically showed me I’d let myself go a bit and wasn’t enforcing my boundaries. 

I felt a fire inside I hadn’t felt for a while, but it spilled into other areas like my career and also financial survival needs. 

I realized I was only able to coast so long because of the years of hard work I had put in earlier in my life. Basically my coasting was somewhat of a luxury. Because I was lost in spirituality for a while, it felt like reality/survival needs finally started catching up to me. 

There are others depending on me financially so I can’t afford to dally and sit around. 

you titled it ‘I pursued enlightenment too early’ and I heard Leo say similar a few times too. I get it from one perspective, but also for me awakening was the greatest thing that ever happened and I think having it earlier in life was a great thing. Why would you want to have that at 60/70, when you can have it in your 20’s and live out most of your life with that perspective? That’s a great thing in my opinion. You go through all the heartbreak, tension, suffering, worry that life throws at you, but you also have this new perspective that you wouldn’t have otherwise. That sounds like a fun adventure to me. 

see now I’m back in the game, but at least now you know it’s a game. I look around and see I still have needs, and there are certain things I want to provide for people, that won’t come about from me sitting around all day. 

My initial hard work is what gave me the luxury of ‘coasting’ those few years, so I don’t mind putting in that work again now, because I’ll get the opportunity to coast again later in life, it’s more fun when I think about it that way.

obviously you can never force yourself into it, for me I think it’s just survival biting at my ass again  . Anyway I hope this helps you somewhat 

 

 

Edited January 8 by woohoo123

[LifeEnjoyer]

@woohoo123 It helped me! Thank you!

[vibv]

2 hours ago, woohoo123 said:

I get it from one perspective, but also for me awakening was the greatest thing that ever happened and I think having it earlier in life was a great thing. Why would you want to have that at 60/70, when you can have it in your 20’s and live out most of your life with that perspective? That’s a great thing in my opinion. You go through all the heartbreak, tension, suffering, worry that life throws at you, but you also have this new perspective that you wouldn’t have otherwise. That sounds like a fun adventure to me. 

Exactly. Both (awakening and survival) have their place and together something beautiful gets created.

With only survival life becomes dull and mechanic.

With only awakening you become void of ambition and suffer in a different way.

But with both at the same time you can begin to see the beauty in this human drama and play within it, knowing that you're playing (sometimes more, sometimes less, as it should be).

Because survival (and therefore suffering and what's called 'evil') isn't merely an inconvenience, it's the greatest invention of God, allowing him to experience his own BECOMING. What an adventure it is indeed  

[Princess Arabia]

All that's happening here is the body/mind is out of whack. You have put the body through artificial spiritual conditioning that the mind imposed upon it and now the mind is all excited and thinking it's really important, more important than others, all jacked up for nothing and the body can't keep up with it's charades. The body just wants to survive and it knows exactly how to do that all on it's own. It cares nothing about the mind's spiritual conquests and now it's acting out like a little child throwing temper tantrums. This is why the body goes through cravings and apparent rapid and sudden changes during this time. It wants nothing to do with all this spiritual nonsense but the mind wants to keep being fed. So now there's a war going on between the two. This is why a lot of people go through this "unmotivational" time during spiritual awakenings. I can guarantee you that's exactly what Leo is going through right now, amongst others It is dangerous and can cause fatigue and adrenaline imbalance even suicidal thoughts.

You might deny this or don't understand it and that's ok too; but it is the case on an experiential level; and because we're so identified with the body, we can feel the aftermath of this phenomenon as it is happening.

[WelcometoReality]

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

All that's happening here is the body/mind is out of whack. You have put the body through artificial spiritual conditioning that the mind imposed upon it and now the mind is all excited and thinking it's really important, more important than others, all jacked up for nothing and the body can't keep up with it's charades. The body just wants to survive and it knows exactly how to do that all on it's own. It cares nothing about the mind's spiritual conquests and now it's acting out like a little child throwing temper tantrums. This is why the body goes through cravings and apparent rapid and sudden changes during this time. It wants nothing to do with all this spiritual nonsense but the mind wants to keep being fed. So now there's a war going on between the two. This is why a lot of people go through this "unmotivational" time during spiritual awakenings. I can guarantee you that's exactly what Leo is going through right now, amongst others It is dangerous and can cause fatigue and adrenaline imbalance even suicidal thoughts.

You might deny this or don't understand it and that's ok too; but it is the case on an experiential level; and because we're so identified with the body, we can feel the aftermath of this phenomenon as it is happening.

That's an interesting take on it. I wouldn't go so far as to call it war but yeah definetely out of sync. 

Also what do you mean by artificial spiritual conditioning? Others call this a "dark night of the soul" which seems just as dramatic as a "war".

 

[Schizophonia]

On 08/01/2025 at 3:25 PM, RendHeaven said:

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This lol.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, WelcometoReality said:

Also what do you mean by artificial spiritual conditioning?

There's nothing that needs to be done. It's already done. This is wholeness, completeness. No separation. It's alive and new and nothing ever repeats itself. It's all coming from nothing that's appearing as something and the body's response to whatever is happening varies. Doing processes and rituals that's all made up can take a toll on the body's response and it's artificial because they are not natural. Breathing is natural, smiling, laughing, sneezing, going to the bathroom eating, etc. No one had to teach us how to do those things they are natural to the body. Meditation (the one where you try to stop thought), chanting, contemplation, focusing, and all the other spiritual practices we do that has to do with the mind isn't. They may have their benefits temporarily but in the long run they just confuses the body and throws it out of whack similar to fake food and toxic air.

Edited January 9 by Princess Arabia

[vibv]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

All that's happening here is the body/mind is out of whack. You have put the body through artificial spiritual conditioning that the mind imposed upon it and now the mind is all excited and thinking it's really important, more important than others, all jacked up for nothing and the body can't keep up with it's charades. The body just wants to survive and it knows exactly how to do that all on it's own. It cares nothing about the mind's spiritual conquests and now it's acting out like a little child throwing temper tantrums. This is why the body goes through cravings and apparent rapid and sudden changes during this time. It wants nothing to do with all this spiritual nonsense but the mind wants to keep being fed. So now there's a war going on between the two. This is why a lot of people go through this "unmotivational" time during spiritual awakenings. I can guarantee you that's exactly what Leo is going through right now, amongst others It is dangerous and can cause fatigue and adrenaline imbalance even suicidal thoughts.

You might deny this or don't understand it and that's ok too; but it is the case on an experiential level; and because we're so identified with the body, we can feel the aftermath of this phenomenon as it is happening.

So what do you prescribe?

I had that phase of nihilism (in a megative way) and lack of motivation with feelings of emptiness and hopelessness.

But that’s gone now and I feel more motivated than ever.

And no I’m definitely not manic, I’m working on the foundations of my life and am making good progress in terms of stability and sustainability. While still having the great vision of my life purpose in mind.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, vibv said:

So what do you prescribe?

I had that phase of nihilism (in a megative way) and lack of motivation with feelings of emptiness and hopelessness.

But that’s gone now and I feel more motivated than ever.

And no I’m definitely not manic, I’m working on the foundations of my life and am making good progress in terms of stability and sustainability. While still having the great vision of my life purpose in mind.

Just like you said, it turned around on it's own. The body's responding completely different to whatever stimulii it's been exposed to and the nervous system probably balanced itself out for whatever reason. People outside of spirituality binge on junk food too sometimes because the body/mind is out of whack and they build a better protocol mentally that's more in sync with the natural flow to wean off of it. Same thing. 

[yetineti]

@woohoo123 Your initial comments resonated greatly with me. I am coasting. I put in work/have been lucky. Survival always catches up. I feel the fire begin to burn again.

I am grateful for enlightenment, awakening, connecting or trying to understand (with) the universe.

I love the quote “There are no solutions only tradeoffs.”

And the way you described different phases was great. I notice the phases trade off, as you have sort of mentioned. I have traded action for awareness, for quite some time now. 
 

This post is likely a byproduct and mind purge of thoughts around that trade off. It has begun inflecting, turning in on itself, until eventually, and it could hit the point where, the only thing left to be aware of is that which requires immediate action.

😳

[yetineti]

@Princess Arabia 

Yes - my mind and body are completely out of sync.

Unlike others, this is not at all negative or nihilistic to me. Which, obviously, arises its own concerns and is likely causing this partially, as well.

Nonetheless, I am not negative. I know this sounds weird but part of this seems to be a weird, indulgent, test on myself.

I have had opportunities to eat very well and exercise regularly. I have maintained peak health and also now been letting myself go.

I used to have many immediate pressures and life has recently let up and opened the gates. I seem to be in a phase of trying to resync my mind and body, as you mentioned, in response to life attempting to shuffling me along.

And this aligns directly with my immediate goals to begin a proper exercise routine again and implement moderated portions of junk instead of ‘testing myself’ like a spoiled glutton.

At the very, very least, it has been interesting for me to go from - depressed, unhealthy - to - depressed, healthy - happy, healthy - happy, unhealthy.

An obvious pattern of rebound and development. Just initially, when I made this post, I was overthinking. It will have been ‘a full’ ten years (to me), later this year, that I started ‘this work.’ I am young. It is easy to get caught up in moments and lose sight of the bigger picture. Especially when there is no one in my immediate vicinity that can relate or share my visions. Of course, this feeling is shared among most. I hold little delusions of grandeur. I can be clever. I am far from much else.

 

[WelcometoReality]

17 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Doing processes and rituals that's all made up can take a toll on the body's response and it's artificial because they are not natural. Breathing is natural, smiling, laughing, sneezing, going to the bathroom eating, etc. No one had to teach us how to do those things they are natural to the body. Meditation (the one where you try to stop thought), chanting, contemplation, focusing, and all the other spiritual practices we do that has to do with the mind isn't. They may have their benefits temporarily but in the long run they just confuses the body and throws it out of whack similar to fake food and toxic air.

I don't see this as a result from meditation. When there is an awakening from mental image of self it just takes time for the body to readjust  and purge itself from contractions caused by traumas in life. Meditation that focuses on relaxing these contraction helps this realigning process imo.

[yetineti]

We’re being too vague with the word meditation.

There are countless was to meditate.

I agree some actions are more natural than not and different routines will require adjustments over time.

How the effects take or what they are is obviously personal.

[Jwayne]

This message board is mostly used for egoic oneupsmanship via semantics.

Your post introduces a topic that few are willing to address.

We need real life friendships offline. Not more online anonymous posturing with our digital identities.

I don't know why people are content to browse forums and annoyingly rant about how they are more enlightened than everyone else.

We need real offline communities. We need to live our ideas in the world, with strangers, with everyday folk in our daily lives.

We don't need to invest more attention in Youtube. We need to challenge ourselves to embody whatever realization we possess in the real world. And to be ruthlessly honest with ourselves about it. And to keep doing better.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Jwayne said:

We need real life friendships offline. Not more online anonymous posturing with our digital identities.

Why do you assume that the people who post here haven't friends?

Edited yesterday at 02:43 PM by Breakingthewall

[Jwayne]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why do you assume that the people who post here haven't friends?

Many people here write in an autistically spergy way that looks almost like they've never socialized before.

For ex:

"YOU ARE INFINITE LOVE!!!"

Its a fake digital persona.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Jwayne said:

Many people here write in an autistically spergy way that looks almost like they've never socialized before.

For ex:

"YOU ARE INFINITE LOVE!!!"

Its a fake digital persona.

This section is supposed to be about what reality is essentially, not about human relationships on a practical level. What is existence as existence, what is the substance of reality, what are you when all the relative qualities disappear. 

[Jwayne]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

This section is supposed to be about what reality is essentially, not about human relationships on a practical level. What is existence as existence, what is the substance of reality, what are you when all the relative qualities disappear. 

99.9% of people come seeking that as a solution to psychological, physical, sexual, financial, etc. problems. And they end up in long winded cycles of self-deception trying to rationalize how the next stage of transcendence is going to make whatever repressed issue(s) they have better. Sometimes years or decades go by on the spiritual hamster wheel, and it would have been far better to confront their life problems head-on in the beginning.

Edited yesterday at 05:16 PM by Jwayne

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Jwayne said:

99.9% of people come seeking that as a solution to psychological, physical, sexual, financial, etc. problems. And they end up in long winded cycles of self-deception trying to rationalize how the next stage of transcendence is going to make whatever repressed issue(s) they have better. Sometimes years or decades go by on the spiritual hamster wheel, and it would have been far better to confront their life problems head-on in the beginning.

2 hours ago, Jwayne said:

 

Then these people are escaping from their problems by using spirituality as if it were a drug. This is common, but there is a chance that someone is intelligent enough to realize it and really delve into themselves. Obviously, just like there are drug addicts, there are cheap drug dealers, that's life, but real spirituality is real. 

Usually people ask the spiritual question because they realize that human existence is a trap, a dead end that leads to old age and death, and they look for a solution to this trap. There are many false paths, but what to do? Nothing is guaranteed in life 

Edited yesterday at 05:38 PM by Breakingthewall

[Jwayne]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then these people are escaping from their problems by using spirituality as if it were a drug. This is common, but there is a chance that someone is intelligent enough to realize it and really delve into themselves. Obviously, just like there are drug addicts, there are cheap drug dealers, that's life, but real spirituality is real.

There are alot of hallucinogenic drug addicts here, as well.