What Is Eternity: Could Reality Be An Accident?

[r0ckyreed]

Not that I agree with the argument that reality is an accident, but I can’t help but entertain the atheist perspective of reality being an accident. 

Here’s a thought experiment:

How long would it take for you to flip a coin on heads 50 times in a row?

You see, life seems improbable because we are seeing it through a finite amount of time. But if you have eternity, I don’t see how it could be improbable for life. Eternity means that every permutation of reality is possible. You can flip a coin 50 times in a row on heads. It might take you 73767282818387473881827373 trillion years to do it, but you can do it and it would be as if no time has passed because eternity means no time.

So, how could the creation of life not be like flipping a coin 50 times in a row? Of course, the issue with this argument is that for “accidents” to exist, there has to be Existence. Existence is a necessary condition for accidents to exist.

Sure, it might take the Universe billions of billions of years just to develop humans capable of reasoning in a similar way that I could flip a coin 50 times in a row. But the fact is that existence exists. An atheist doesn’t understand that accidents and randomness are properties of Existence.

I would argue that there can be no accidents given an infinite amount of time. Me flipping a coin 50 heads in a row is inevitable under the concept of eternity. The only thing limiting me in flipping a coin 50 times in a row is me having a limited amount of time. But if the Universe has unlimited time, then it is inevitable that life exists no matter how improbable it may seem.

Edited Tuesday at 10:20 PM by r0ckyreed

[Someone here]

If we live in a multiverse that indicates eternal inflation..then doesn't it mean we actually live over and over again the same life?

Maybe all  matter and particles that makes ''me'' me will fall in the same chronological order which will indicate that I am indeed a product of eternal and infinite energy?

This frightens me..mostly because we are not able to control whether we actually want to exist or not. We are just a product of eternal inflation that always existed and will continue to exist for eternity..thus making us eternal beings.

Edited Thursday at 01:38 PM by Someone here

[Ero]

The idea you are tryin to communicate with the flipping of the coin is closely related to entropy - most sequential coin flips are unordered (they grow exponentially 2^n), i.e they have higher "entropy", meaning they represent a larger fraction of all possible configurations. 

There is in fact an ongoing paradigm shift in evolutionary biology that changes the framing of life as improbable/ "anti-entropic" to actually being the result of entropy (consider for example this paper), i.e that it is not "an accident", but the natural result of the chaotic system that is existence. 

[Leo Gura]

That's the wrong way to think about it. Far too limited.

The right way to think about it is that if all limits are imaginary, then nothing is stopping an Infinite Mind from existing. And so this Mind has existed for Eternity and has always been powerful enough to imagine all things.

You don't need to flip coins to get stuff when you were infinitely powerful from the beginning. Because you even imagine a beginning.

Edited Thursday at 04:58 PM by Leo Gura

[TheAlchemist]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the wrong way to think about it. Far too limited.

The right way to think about it is that if all limits are imaginary, then nothing is stopping an Infinite Mind from existing. And so this Mind has existed for Eternity and has always been powerful enough to imagine all things.

You don't need to flip coins to get stuff when you were infinitely powerful from the beginning. Because you even imagine a beginning.

Would you say that Infinite Mind imagines through having limits? Is limit necessary for the process of imagination to unfold? Would you agree also that limitation is required for the infinite to realize itself, the infinite having no ground for realization without limit and finitude?

 

I very much like the idea that Hegel also expressed about limit/limitless and finite/infinite being in dialectical relationship. They are necessary conditions for each other to exist and the Absolute Idea is about this eternal self-contradiction. 

Edited Thursday at 05:20 PM by TheAlchemist

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, TheAlchemist said:

Would you say that Infinite Mind imagines through having limits? Is limit necessary for the process of imagination to unfold? Would you agree also that limitation is required for the infinite to realize itself, the infinite having no ground for realization without limit and finitude?

I very much like the idea that Hegel also expressed about limit/limitless and finite/infinite being in dialectical relationship. They are necessary conditions for each other to exist and the Absolute Idea is about this eternal self-contradiction. 

Anything Mind imagines is a finite form and therefore limited.

The only unlimited thing is pure Void -- Empty Mind. But as soon as anything appears in this Empty Mind it takes on form and is limited. If God imagined a kangaroo, that's a limited form with certain properties. To have any property is to lack other properties, and is therefore a limit. Everything you can see, hear, taste, smell, touch is finite and limited.

It is just the nature of Mind to endlessly dream stuff up. It does so because why not? What else is it going to do? It only has two options: To be Empty or to dream. It can do both. So it does both, exhausting both possibilities.

Edited Thursday at 06:42 PM by Leo Gura

[emil1234]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Anything Mind imagines is a finite form and therefore limited.

The only unlimited thing is pure Void -- Empty Mind. But as soon as anything appears in this Empty Mind it takes on form and is limited. If God imagined a kangaroo, that's a limited form with certain properties. To have any property is to lack other properties, and is therefore a limit. Everything you can see, hear, taste, smell, touch is finite and limited.

It is the just the nature of Mind to endlessly dream stuff up. It does so because why not? What else is it going to do? It only has two options: To be Empty or to dream. It can do both. So it does both, exhausting both possibilities.

exploring infinite imagination for all eternity :'))) thinking about the miracle of existence can literally bring me to tears

Edited Thursday at 06:45 PM by emil1234

[Kairos]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If God imagined a kangaroo, that's a limited form with certain properties.

So god imagined/made reality .

That means we are avatars in GOD's reality .Then why do you say we are god when we are just characters like a pawn in chess isn't the player whose moving it .

Why do you say we are God if we are finite and limited ?

You said God by definition is infinite .

You have tried to explain this stuff in your vids but your logic was strange to me .It felt like you have a conclusion/a guess about reality and you're trying to justify it with weird logic and psychedelics .

Edited Thursday at 06:53 PM by Kairos

[Kairos]

scientific model of reality perfectly explains everything .

This spirituality stuff is kinda too much for me 😵

 

[Terell Kirby]

In other words, things in Existence are limited, but Existence itself is unlimited.

Edited Thursday at 07:10 PM by Terell Kirby

[James123]

@r0ckyreed when you die, you will not remember anything. Enjoy the moment.

[emil1234]

13 minutes ago, Kairos said:

scientific model of reality perfectly explains everything .

This spirituality stuff is kinda too much for me 😵

 

what do u mean scientific model perfectly explains everything?wtf. 

science quite literally explains NOTHING. Even the stuff that it claims to explain, it does not at all fully explain. for example, science claims to know how water exists for example, its an arrangement of Ho2 molecules. However, why does this specific arrangement of Ho2 molecules generate water? you would need a model to explain all models and theories individually, and this goes on ad infinitum. its an infinite regress. science demonstrates causal relations, nothing more at all. it doesnt explain why the causal relations exist in the first place, or why it operates the way it does. it is is extremely superficial, and only explains stuff pragmatically, nothing at a deeper existential level at all.

Thats just a demonstration of how science does not even know the things that it claims to know. Furthermore, science has nof ucking clue where existence came from, why we're here, what consciousness is. this is all explained perfectly through inquiry of the mind however.

science is a joke when it comes to seriously investigating reality

Edited Thursday at 07:11 PM by emil1234

[vibv]

42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Anything Mind imagines is a finite form and therefore limited.

The only unlimited thing is pure Void -- Empty Mind. But as soon as anything appears in this Empty Mind it takes on form and is limited. If God imagined a kangaroo, that's a limited form with certain properties. To have any property is to lack other properties, and is therefore a limit. Everything you can see, hear, taste, smell, touch is finite and limited.

It is just the nature of Mind to endlessly dream stuff up. It does so because why not? What else is it going to do? It only has two options: To be Empty or to dream. It can do both. So it does both, exhausting both possibilities.

Beautiful.

[Kairos]

2 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

science has nof ucking clue where existence came from, why we're here, what consciousness is

Humanity only started doing serious science couple of centuries ago .

Tf you want ? Sciences to explain all of reality in such small time period ?Science is making progress .

You're just trying to justify this stuff by making illogical points . 

 

 

 

[emil1234]

2 minutes ago, Kairos said:

Humanity only started doing serious science couple of centuries ago .

Tf you want ? Sciences to explain all of reality in such small time period ?Science is making progress .

You're just trying to justify this stuff by making illogical points . 

 

 

 

science has existed for thousands of years. the first humans creating fire was an act of science. 

No i dont want science to explain everything, im just refuting your former point, saying that science already does explain everything perfectly lol.

what point i made was illogical?

[Sugarcoat]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is the just the nature of Mind to endlessly dream stuff up. It does so because why not? What else is it going to do? It only has two options: To be Empty or to dream. It can do both. So it does both, exhausting both possibilities.

Is death and deep sleep like Mind imagining nothing? 

[Sugarcoat]

I wonder if everything exists. So every possible appearance. And I wonder if there is a conscious pov for every appearance. So no appearance existing independently of a conscious perceiver. Who could possibly answer that.

Edited Thursday at 07:27 PM by Sugarcoat

[Leo Gura]

50 minutes ago, Kairos said:

That means we are avatars in GOD's reality .Then why do you say we are god when we are just characters like a pawn in chess isn't the player whose moving it .

Why do you say we are God if we are finite and limited ?

You said God by definition is infinite .

There is a deeper consciousness in which you realize that the finite and infinite are identical, and that you are not a character or pawn but the one and only God.

You are God dreaming that you are finite and limited. And so your dream becomes your reality. Since there is no one to stop you or tell you otherwise.

Edited Thursday at 07:40 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

The absence of limits makes inevitable that reality unfolds infinitely. The void and the form are exactly the same because the form is an infinitely reflected image, its substance is the same substance of the void, the unlimited. The unlimited is you because it is precisely being without limits.

[Xonas Pitfall]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is a deeper consciousness in which you realize that the finite and infinite are identical

Could you give an example of how to contemplate this further, maybe some questions to start? Sounds like a really interesting aspect of God Realization.