What Is Eternity: Could Reality Be An Accident?

[Davino]

@r0ckyreed Funny enough, I have forgiven myself of all my epistemic errors, materialist delusions and scientific dogma

But one thing

Just one statement about the nature of Reality

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Reality is random, reality is an accident

How on earth could I ever, EVER, believe such a thing

Literally reality is so intelligent that it leaves me speechless

It's Infinitely Intelligent

Literally at every level you can imagine, everything is being handled in a perfect brilliant way

It's pure Genius

[Davino]

28 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Could you give an example of how to contemplate this further, maybe some questions to start? Sounds like a really interesting aspect of God Realization.

I cracked the nut when I Awoke to the nature of limits and how this present field of experience is simultaneously a permutation in Infinity and the whole of Infinity itself. There is no way to measure infinity or contrast it with anything else, it's Absolute Infinity which includes Infinite Infinity and limited Infinity.

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[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

@Leo Gura I was trying to use the atheist argument of life being an accident against itself. However, why does evolution exist and take millions of years? You would think that an infinite mind could just create something instantaneously rather than creating through evolution. I am assuming you are gonna reply with “evolution is imaginary”? I do think evolution is infinitely intelligent. But I can hear atheists saying the source of reality could be dumber than the creation in a similar way that humans create AI, an intelligence more intelligent than its creator. I hope this makes sense. Not that I agree with it but I know some atheists have made this argument that if humans can create something more intelligent than it, then it isn’t hard to conceive of god being dumber than its creation using that logic. 

Reality is inevitable, it's not a creation of god, god is the reality, the only cause is the absence of limits, and that is not something. Infinite being is, and it's manifestation is the infinite dance of reality, it can't not be, then there is not will, the only will is the inevitability of the infinity 

Edited January 9 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

However, why does evolution exist and take millions of years?

It's a good question. Not easy to answer.

Why God created reality in such a particular way is very hard to answer because you'd need omniscience in the macro and micro sense to know.

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25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why God created reality in such a particular way is very hard to answer because you'd need omniscience in the macro and micro sense to know.

@r0ckyreed

Yep. God is completeness.

You could understand the process of how life developed on earth all the way back to infinity if only one had the ability to do so.

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57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a good question. Not easy to answer.

Why God created reality in such a particular way is very hard to answer because you'd need omniscience in the macro and micro sense to know.

Which is why both technical and wholistic perspectives are needed. You are not going to understand evolution without first understanding dynamical systems, active inference, game theory, probability and entropy.

[BlessedLion]

8 hours ago, Davino said:

@r0ckyreed Funny enough, I have forgiven myself of all my epistemic errors, materialist delusions and scientific dogma

But one thing

Just one statement about the nature of Reality

How on earth could I ever, EVER, believe such a thing

Literally reality is so intelligent that it leaves me speechless

It's Infinitely Intelligent

Literally at every level you can imagine, everything is being handled in a perfect brilliant way

It's pure Genius

Everyone who think reality is some kind of mistake, accident, or fuck up is blind and unintuitive 

[Clarence]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a good question. Not easy to answer.

Why God created reality in such a particular way is very hard to answer because you'd need omniscience in the macro and micro sense to know.

Do you think it would be possible to access the answer to that question with psychedelics?

[Leo Gura]

28 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Do you think it would be possible to access the answer to that question with psychedelics?

Not in a micro sense. In a broad macro sense.

It's not going to be technically rigorous.

Edited January 10 by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Everyone who think reality is some kind of mistake, accident, or fuck up is blind and unintuitive 

The God I come from doesn't know any f-ups. All is top notch. He does permit exploration and experimentation from His charges. He wouldn't be too kind if He didn't. I am empowered to concoct as many meaningless f-ups as I please. To know how good love is I should investigate for a minute how bad evil is. God blesses my every move. Kids do the maddest of things as we all know. One day I promise I shall wake up, put the guns down - seeing their misery, return to the timeless and live happily ever after. Thank you God.

Edited January 10 by gettoefl

[LastThursday]

Two things spring to mind. Eternity requires existence. Is eternity enough to permute an infinite number of things? If there are only a finite number of things to permute, then clearly only a finite number of scenarios can play out.

[Atb210201]

There are no accidents.

Master Oogway

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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not in a micro sense. In a broad macro sense.

It's not going to be technically rigorous.

You can still get good insights on the micro level, but one needs to apply rigor to them after. Psychs can serve as both a telescope and a microscope, dialling your consciousness on what you focus.

[Clarence]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not in a micro sense. In a broad macro sense.

It's not going to be technically rigorous.

But God must know the answers to all possible questions, right? Does that mean we could also know them if we were to reach the most Absolute level of Consciousness and Omniscience? Or would we need to completely forget about ourselves, with no possibility of remembering, to access such answers? But then, it would mean the same as being unable to know.

I don't understand why we can know so much about the macro level but so little about the micro level. This is really weird, as they are both One and therefore deeply connected.

[Ero]

@Clarence You certainly can. Leo has said before that he isn’t interested in the micro, which makes sense for his goals and purposes.

The thing is, I have noticed that micro insights don’t happen in isolation. For them them to be any good, you need to already have a pretty good grasp on the thing that you are examining. “You should first know the rules to break them”, i.e say if you don’t know basic math or physics, I don’t expect for you to be getting fruitful ideas in those.

[Clarence]

@Ero I'm not asking about the micro per se, but about a more fundamental question, which is: why is this reality the way it is? For example, why are we human and not another species? Why do we live in a material world and not another kind of world? Why were we created with such limitations, mentally and physically? Why are we so unconscious and evolving so slowly as a species? Why did we come into existence the way we did, and what was that way exactly? Why are we on this planet specifically and not another? Etc.

I wonder how all of this came into existence, why it happened the way it did, and why it is the way it is. Those are the kinds of questions I'm thinking about here.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Clarence said:

But God must know the answers to all possible questions, right? Does that mean we could also know them if we were to reach the most Absolute level of Consciousness and Omniscience? Or would we need to completely forget about ourselves, with no possibility of remembering, to access such answers? But then, it would mean the same as being unable to know.

I don't understand why we can know so much about the macro level but so little about the micro level. This is really weird, as they are both One and therefore deeply connected.

That was my a priori framing as well

But it doesn't seem to the case for me as far as my Awakening process go, a posteriori.

At least when you're going into the trascendental, consciousness saturated, Infinite axis, you understand EVERYTHING but not every-thing. Those things emerge as limitations in the consciousness field, as figmentations of it, the intelligent interplay of Reality or Maya is like unravelling a never ending Knot, understanding comes just for more questions to arise, there is no end in the macro as in the micro, but with the former you kinda get a high level shot that includes every-thing and with the latter you get insight into a thing that as well goes on for Infinity. 

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15 minutes ago, Davino said:

you understand EVERYTHING but not every-thing. 

That’s a good way to frame it. Reality is like Indra’s net, i.e. fractal (you can zoom forever without losing complexity) and every level of abstraction reflects the Whole. If you are God (zoomed out) then the human micro (zoomed in) is so insignificant that your consciousness doesn’t register it.

 

19 minutes ago, Clarence said:

@Ero For example, why are we human and not another species? Why do we live in a material world and not another kind of world? Why were we created with such limitations, mentally and physically? Why are we so unconscious and evolving so slowly as a species? Why did we come into existence the way we did, and what was that way exactly? Why are we on this planet specifically and not another?

All amazing questions I hope to grasp in this lifetime. My suspicion is you need to traverse up and down the layers of abstraction from human to God and back to begin understanding it. There doesn’t seem to be a trivial answer, because any answer is only true at a certain level of the “fractal” that is Reality, whereas these questions incorporate the full ladder, i.e they will be multi-linear/ multi-dimensional and relative.

[Clarence]

@Davino But why couldn't God know? If God was fully unlimited, an impossibility to know something would be a limitation.

I understand that God can choose to forget (when taking a human form, for example), but couldn't a part of God, a "higher part", know absolutely everything, such as why it created this reality the way it did or why and how this human came to exist as it does?

It doesn't make sense that such a major thing would exist, yet "no one" would know how or why it happened. I believe there must be an Intelligence above knowing things we don't.

From my perspective, the impossibility of reaching this knowledge while in human form doesn't prove that it's impossible for God to know it in any way.

[Inliytened1]

On 1/7/2025 at 4:08 PM, r0ckyreed said:

Not that I agree with the argument that reality is an accident, but I can’t help but entertain the atheist perspective of reality being an accident. 

Here’s a thought experiment:

How long would it take for you to flip a coin on heads 50 times in a row?

You see, life seems improbable because we are seeing it through a finite amount of time. But if you have eternity, I don’t see how it could be improbable for life. Eternity means that every permutation of reality is possible. You can flip a coin 50 times in a row on heads. It might take you 73767282818387473881827373 trillion years to do it, but you can do it and it would be as if no time has passed because eternity means no time.

So, how could the creation of life not be like flipping a coin 50 times in a row? Of course, the issue with this argument is that for “accidents” to exist, there has to be Existence. Existence is a necessary condition for accidents to exist.

Sure, it might take the Universe billions of billions of years just to develop humans capable of reasoning in a similar way that I could flip a coin 50 times in a row. But the fact is that existence exists. An atheist doesn’t understand that accidents and randomness are properties of Existence.

I would argue that there can be no accidents given an infinite amount of time. Me flipping a coin 50 heads in a row is inevitable under the concept of eternity. The only thing limiting me in flipping a coin 50 times in a row is me having a limited amount of time. But if the Universe has unlimited time, then it is inevitable that life exists no matter how improbable it may seem.

Existence is life.  You're creating a duality by saying there is existence (consciousness) and life (consciousness) Consciousness is eternal 

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