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[RightHand]

One of the first traps that Ken Wilber shows.

Spiritual development =/= cognitive development.

[The Crocodile]

In the Castaneda books don Juan shouts out, "Asshole!" Carlos is like, "Why did you say that?" "Because you called me a shaman!"

[UnbornTao]

I'd clarify what I'm after and then take up a practice based on that.

Edited yesterday at 10:16 AM by UnbornTao

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no you and yourself for anything to be between. Your and self are two, the you and the self. Where is the you and where is the self when there's no separation but only as an illusory dream.

Yes ..it's happening..you are overdosing on Jim Newman . 

Try read or listen to Robert Adams as well. I'm sure you gonna like him. Unfortunately he's underrated and not well known .

[Breakingthewall]

@Flowerfaeiry imo the starting point of real spirituality is to empty the mind of any belief. Absolute zero, you have to be an empty vessel to perceive yourself.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes ..it's happening..you are overdosing on Jim Newman . 

Try read or listen to Robert Adams as well. I'm sure you gonna like him. Unfortunately he's underrated and not well known .

I don't know why it's you think I'm overdosing on anything. Problem is you're still looking up to an authority and you think I'm doing the same. I can listen to Robert Adams and enjoy what he's saying just like I could listen to sponge Bob and enjoy his show. Makes no difference as it's all entertainment. I don't have to listen to anyone anymore about anything spiritual or non-dual when I can see it right before my eyes as in this OP's thread. It's everywhere. Cat chasing it's own tail. 

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't know why it's you think I'm overdosing on anything. Problem is you're still looking up to an authority and you think I'm doing the same. I can listen to Robert Adams and enjoy what he's saying just like I could listen to sponge Bob and enjoy his show. Makes no difference as it's all entertainment. I don't have to listen to anyone anymore about anything spiritual or non-dual when I can see it right before my eyes as in this OP's thread. It's everywhere. Cat chasing it's own tail. 

You are a liberated being .

Isn't that exactly what Robert's quote is trying to hint at ?

Only you have to get technical about "you " and "yourself ".

Get past the minutia and try to reap the core of whats being said .

Edited Tuesday at 02:39 PM by Someone here

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Princess Arabia ...when method of "no method" is in a fact, another method😊. Human mind is a powerful wrestler...

 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Someone here said:

Isn't that exactly what Robert's quote is trying to hint at ?

Only you have to get technical about "you " and "yourself ".

Get past the minutia and try to reap the core of whats being said .

Yes, but making a quote like that then saying "you and yourself", defeats the whole purpose of there's nothing you have to do and nowhere to go and nothing to get. One doesn't get up in their daily lives and keep saying there's no me or you and nowhere to get or do when they're going to work or engaging with the world. But sending a message as his doesn't require for you to get between you and yourself because there's no you and there is no self to get in between. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Princess Arabia ...when method of "no method" is in a fact, another method😊. Human mind is a powerful wrestler...

 

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[Salvijus]

The argument that a cognitive developed mind would reject Christianity doesn't stand because a person with a sharpest, most resonable, logical, cognitive mind with 210iq is actually a christian, lol.

Edited Tuesday at 02:46 PM by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You are a liberated being .

I am not a liberated being. There's no liberation for "me". Liberation is what the "me" spawned from - so-to-speak. Liberation is not for anyone because there's no one to be liberated. Liberation is already the case, so liberated that it can appear to not be. 

[Princess Arabia]

None of this really matters anyway because there are no recipes for what is. What is, is and that's it. There is no point in me saying there's no you or self because who is saying that and to whom. Robert Adams is just a name attached to a body that is speaking words uttered from nothing appearing as some guru teaching something. It's all empty and means nothing. Doesn't mean life won't go on and words won't have meaning and gurus won't exist. It's all appearing from nothing as something, but in the end means nothing. This isn't nihilism, this is freedom, but for no one. The person is freedom appearing as a person. There is no value in this comment and nothing for anyone to grasp. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:02 PM by Princess Arabia

[Jirh]

That's like saying my dad loves me and he's older (wiser) than me, and he believes in Christianity, therefore Christianity is true.

Edited Tuesday at 03:03 PM by Jirh

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The argument that a cognitive developed mind would reject Christianity doesn't stand because a person with a sharpest, most resonable, logical, cognitive mind with 210iq is actually a christian, lol.

It doesn't matter how developed or how much IQ you have, self-deception will get you.

Christianity is a mind virus. If you have been infected with that virus from birth, it is almost impossible to extract.

Christianity is HIV for the mind.

You can have whatever IQ, it won't cure your HIV.

This is why people keep returning to Christianity. It is lodged so deep in their minds that even mystical experience will not dislodge it. In the end people cannot handle total descontruction so they just return to some comfortable construct or fantasy. They were never in it for truth, they were in it for good feelings.

Edited Tuesday at 03:16 PM by Leo Gura

[numbersinarow]

18 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The argument that a cognitive developed mind would reject Christianity doesn't stand because a person with a sharpest, most resonable, logical, cognitive mind with 210iq is actually a christian, lol.

No words for anyone impressed by Chris Langan, lol.

Plus IQ doesn't even measure intelligence in the first place and the arguments used by it's defenders are horrible, they can easily be proven wrong, most of all Chris Langan who thinks "Well you'd rather hire the 200 IQ person than the 80 IQ person so IQ is legit." is a valid argument.

[Javfly33]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no value in this comment and nothing for anyone to grasp. 

Why you write it then? 😐

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

Why you write it then? 😐

I didn't.

[WelcometoReality]

@Flowerfaeiry Read Resurrecting Jesus by Adyashanti and you'll get a whole new perspective about Jesus and christianity. 🙂

[Salvijus]

The arguments I see here are based on reasoning and logic. It just so happens that a person with a much higher capacity to reason and be logical has a different opinion on this topic. It also gives him more weight and credibility because his reasoning is much less likely to have flaws. That's the definition of high iq basically. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:54 PM by Salvijus