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[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

I could see how it would bring more peace. For it to be an end to seeking. To see that Jesus is the most high and to believe that is reality. Were you raised religious? To me it’s like asking me what water is (I come from very religious families)

I'm saying I would like a glass of water.

I was "raised" probably definitely non-religious but got confirmation in a Lutheran church and sang in the choir and also sometimes went to church for Christmas

Edited 14 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

11 hours ago, Thought Art said:

No. IQ Isn’t the isn’t the only factor here. IQ is a particular measurement of some facets of intelligence. It doesn’t account for things like emotional intelligence, spiritual intelligence, awakening, and self deception. 

I know. 

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Calling Langan a "Christian" is a statement that probably couldn't be more subject to the pre-trans fallacy. Langan's notion of God is miles more expansive and general than what a standard Bible-thumper will entertain.

In the end Langan is wet for Jesus. There are many different types of Christians btw, that could look very different from one another. 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Salvijus

[Someone here]

On 07/01/2025 at 6:03 PM, Leo Gura said:

Christianity is a mind virus.

😂 Leo shattering those belief bubbles with a hammer . Be gentle Leo.  Jesus loves you .just open your heart and accept him .he shall save your sinner arse from eternal hell .

[Someone here]

Why do Christians ride on the back of a man they have no proof of ever living and a man who has never done anything for them? if I ask a Christian what has Jesus ever done for you? They would say he died on the cross for our sins except we have no proof of that 😂. All Christians simply believe hearsay as a way to comfort themselves. That's the only way I can think of it. It's children play as osho have said . Sorry if this is saddening for Christians but truth be told .

[TheAlchemist]

16 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Quote from her Facebook: “I could never deny the growth I experienced in 12 years going so deep with the plants. But after so many years and still having so many questions and feeling unsatisfied with the loop I found myself in I knew what I was experiencing wasn’t truth. The gifts and blessings God has for us through his son Jesus is unlike anything I have ever known”

 

Sheesh! 

This is a perfect illustration of how the same underlying structural driver can lead someone to be both a new age shaman healer and a fundamentalist Christian.

For example here is one underlying, usually unquestioned driver:

I should be guaranteed permanent satisfaction, I should be secure, I should have a place, fulfillment and a sense of belonging. Being insecure, lacking, questioning, alienated and uprooted is categorically bad and should be avoided. 

No matter how many gallons of ayahuasca someone drinks, an underlying driver and fantasy such as this may never be uncovered. It requires a different approach and mode to uncover.

Even spirituality generally is very accommodating to many fantasies about eternal fulfillment, happiness and belonging. An even when these drivers and fantasies are uncovered they continue to drive behavior, so it could be a massive task to uproot something like that without significant internal turmoil.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by TheAlchemist

[UnbornTao]

Christ Sutras by Bart Marshall.

Recommended read.

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

In the end Langan is wet for Jesus.

What points did you take issue with in that video? The things he said about Jesus are the kinds of things I remember hearing even Sam Harris say. That out of many existing religious figures, Jesus is an exceptional moral exemplar.

Edited 5 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

What points did you take issue with in that video? The things he said about Jesus are the kinds of things I remember hearing even Sam Harris say. That out of many existing religious figures, Jesus is an exceptional moral exemplar. 

It's not about what he says precisely but about the wetness of his underwear when he speaks about Jesus. It's clearly written on his face that he's a christian. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Salvijus

[Thought Art]

13 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Because if I don’t I’ll go to hell. Hypothetically. If you get what I mean.

When did this belief get adopted into Christianity?

[gettoefl]

15 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Wtf does that mean exactly? What does Jesus saving us look like? What does believing in that look like?

Save from death. Almost everyone thinks they're going to die until they encounter a Jesus. No Jesus ever dies! I prove Jesus didn't die by proving that Jesus lives inside me. This means Jesus helps me and saves me. Body will crumble and decay but the Jesus reality will endure. There may be another way but this one is fire. I do not fear death. I cannot die. I am not a body. And I have experienced this for myself. Seeing isn't believing. Believing is seeing. Jesus lived it then asked me to give it a try based on belief. I did and here I am. I am that I am. I am not what you think I am. I am pure observing awareness of being. You are too. Jesus is helpful for getting saved from the seemingly never-ending cycle of death and life. This place is nothing more than a seemingly hard to escape fantasy. Everyone is proud and stubborn. I ain't following no Jesus. I am way too smart. Besides I'm not ready for heaven; I've got way too much living and loving to do first. Hit me up in the next lifetime. After all I am practically living as a god down here as it is; everyone loves me, I make boatloads of cash and boy you should see me dance.

Edited 1 hour ago by gettoefl

[zurew]

15 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Because if I don’t I’ll go to hell.

That doesn't necessarily follow, even if chrisitianity is true.

For example, you can be a universalist , where they believe everyone will eventually go to heaven no matter what.

But, regardless - going to hell or having a negative afterlife can all be true or false regardless of your beliefs about christianity.

 

There is also a weird possibility that if you believe in Jesus, then for some reason you will go to hell.  There is also a possibility that whatever happens to you in the afterlife is 100% outside of your control and isn't dependent on any of your beliefs or actions. There is also a possibility, that there is no afterlife at all.

I would stop worrying about adopting beliefs about the afterlife and would focus on doing my best with what I have in this current life. Maybe some of my thoughts, actions and beliefs will have horrible and terrifying consequences, but so be it, it is what it is, I will do my best with what I have.