Shaming non-vegans is not right.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

4 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@NewKidOnTheBlock

That was not the point. The point was that your claim about vegan diet being less healthy than an omnivore one was full of shit and you couldn't neither provide any evidence that would support your claim nor disprove evidence that they showed you.

Untill my question regarding over 5 missing micronutrients will be sufficiently answered (B12, iron, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids, zinc and more) in regards to using supplements on the same level of efficiency as meat (and legit ones) I will continue to lavish my taste buds on some tasty lean non processed meat

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7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

How do you calculate whole chicken per 84g?

Calories are a unit of energy, equal to approximately 4.2 joules. The method is based on burning and measuring the energy produced. 

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I am sorry, I thought we were discussing a scenario where a person has not enough money to eat properly at all.

That has been my scenario a large part of my life. But I still had to walk 2h to school and back outside of being on sport teams. Part of why I lost the 12kg then.

Btw I am not saying you can't be big/strong and vegan - Ryan Stills and Patrik Baboumian are prime examples. All I am saying is that it's a lil harder when you are not in the best position and/or don't have ready access to different foods. In a few more years I am totally going all in. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Ero

[Something Funny]

Just now, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Untill my question regarding over 5 missing micronutrients will be sufficiently answered (B12, iron, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids, zinc and more) in regards to using supplements on the same level of efficiency as meat (and legit ones) I will continue to lavish my taste buds on some tasty lean non processed meat

B12 was already answered.

Vegetables are full of calcium.

Iron is easy to supplement.

You still need to take omega 3 supplements, even as a meat eater.

Zinc is easy to supplement.

It's not my fault you are completely divorced from logic and ability to learn

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, Ero said:

Calories are a unit of energy, equal to approximately 4.2 joules. The method is based on burning and measuring the energy produced. 

No but I am asking how you actually measure a chicken as 84 grams.

Since every part has different caloric value. You would need to decide which part you are going to add to those 84g, in what proportion. How is that decided?

[Something Funny]

@NewKidOnTheBlock maybe you have omega 3 deficiency? That would explain a lot.

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1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

No but I am asking how you actually measure a chicken as 84 grams.

Since every part has different caloric value. You would need to decide which part you are going to add to those 84g, in what proportion. How is that decided?

I don't think they measured an actual 84 g piece of chicken. They probably did a few hundred tests of different chicken pieces, calculated that calories per a single gram by simply dividing the estimate by the weight. I think the 84 grams is simply the "serving size", which is something the US does for some reason. Europe does 100g baseline. I guarantee you European estimates are not made with an exact 100g piece. It's simple math. 

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10 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Untill my question regarding over 5 missing micronutrients will be sufficiently answered (B12, iron, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids, zinc and more) in regards to using supplements on the same level of efficiency as meat (and legit ones) I will continue to lavish my taste buds on some tasty lean non processed meat

My advice is to take supplements for most of those even as a meat eater. I take magnesium, zinc, omega 3 and all B vitamins regularly,

[Schizophonia]

29 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

Stop with this nonsense. I know you know better than to even believe that this is what constitutes a vegan diet. 

Hi homie.

If you have an objection you can go into details and enlighten us with your light. The equivalent of 100g weighed raw of any legume is already heavy to eat and digest knowing that it is only about 350kcal, probably less given the assimilation.
If you need even "only" 2500kcal per day you understand quicky you cannot count on beans; You must count on denser calories sources.

 

[Basman]

54 minutes ago, AION said:

This one is scary:

 

Who knew that holocaust survivors weren't being starved. They where just vegan.

[Something Funny]

@Ero i am not talking about 84 or 100.

I am just pointing that simply calculating an average, like:

2000g (eating a full chicken) = 4761 ca

Therefore 84g = 200ca

Is incorrect

Because humans don't take a little bite out of every part.

If you are eating chicken with your family, someone will get a leg, someone a wing, someone a breast. So everyone will eat a different amount of calories per 84g.

[Something Funny]

@Schizophonia meat has even less than 350 ckal?

[Ero]

Btw, I totally think that lab-grown meat will eventually outperform "natural" meat both in terms of nutrition and cost (not to talk about the land and water). Genetically-engineered fruits and vegetables rich in different nutrients are also not a fantasy - I have classmates at my university working on stuff like that. So I don't think this has to be an idealogical battle, but rather a technological one. 

[Something Funny]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

you understand quicky you cannot count on beans; You must count on denser calories sources.

Yes, you also have other legumes, and nuts, and grains, and oils, and seeds.

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1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

@Ero i am not talking about 84 or 100.

I am just pointing that simply calculating an average, like:

2000g (eating a full chicken) = 4761 ca

Therefore 84g = 200ca

Is incorrect

Because humans don't take a little bite out of every part.

If you are eating chicken with your family, someone will get a leg, someone a wing, someone a breast. So everyone will eat a different amount of calories per 84g.

They split the different parts lol - https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2020-10/Chicken_Turkey_Poster_0911.pdf
 

[Something Funny]

4 minutes ago, Ero said:

They split the different parts lol - https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2020-10/Chicken_Turkey_Poster_0911.pdf
 

Ok

[AION]

5 minutes ago, Ero said:

Btw, I totally think that lab-grown meat will eventually outperform "natural" meat both in terms of nutrition and cost (not to talk about the land and water). Genetically-engineered fruits and vegetables rich in different nutrients are also not a fantasy - I have classmates at my university working on stuff like that. So I don't think this has to be an idealogical battle, but rather a technological one. 

That is going to take a long time but eventually we will move towards that direction. In the meantime, this thread made me really hungry. Going to get me some Tomahawk or lamb chops tonight...

 

[Schizophonia]

14 minutes ago, Ero said:

My advice is to take supplements for most of those even as a meat eater. I take magnesium, zinc, omega 3 and all B vitamins regularly,

You don't need b12, zinc, choline, lechitin, O3 or fat soluble vitamins at all if you regularly eat fish and meat that's the point.

Eggs and some organs are from far the biggest source of choline of any food.

Oyster the biggest source of zinc, even iodine with some algae, of any food.

Liver the biggest source of copper and vitamine A, and the most nutritionally dense of any food on the world. 

Fish the only important source of EPA and DHA, and one of the single most important sources of iodine for most people.

Meat is the greatest source of hemic iron (the only form that is sufficiently assimilable to reverse a deficiency unless consumed with calcium, in reality), selenium, zinc, b12, b6 and B3 (niacin); it contains all the nutrients in sufficient quantity (even vitamin C, carnivores do not get scurvy) and is a satisfying source to eat and rich in calories and protein.

Despite the inflation that makes muscle meat more expensive nowadays, very interesting foods such as chicken pieces with skin, fresh sardines, heart and offal of beef are therefore always accessible and interesting.

Milk also is very nutritious if you tolerate it. Maybe too much calcium if you already lake iron. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Something Funny]

@AION linking saltbae garbage cooking (even by meat eater standards) is all you really need to know about the person, lol.

When you have no class but pretend to be rich, lol.

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2 minutes ago, AION said:

That is going to take a long time but eventually we will move towards that direction.

I don't think it's that far off. Stuff like AlphaFold has increased the speed of this type of innovations by orders of magnitude. That plus CRISPR and mRNA, and I think we might see it within a decade or two. 

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

you regularly eat fish

Mmm, heavy metals, my favourite side dish.