Shaming non-vegans is not right.

[Something Funny]

Just now, AION said:

@Something Funny You haven't respond to what I said.

What did you say? I don't see it.

[AION]

Just now, Something Funny said:

Its funny, because back when I was living in Ukraine, as a kid, I always had this image of people in the west being super developed and cultured. Kind of like elves in lord of the rings. 

And then when I grew up and came here, I've realised that people are basically the same.

The funny thing is that your username contains funny but nothing you say is funny. 

[AION]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

What did you say? I don't see it.

The message that contains the video I posted

[Something Funny]

Just now, AION said:

The funny thing is that your username contains funny but nothing you say is funny. 

If you want to see something funny, look in the mirror

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, AION said:

The message that contains the video I posted

I did respond to it. With two comments actually. 

[AION]

What I notice is that these vegans all ahve this underlying anger towards people who do eat healthy. I think subconsciously they know that they are performing masochism and they want others to join their masochism and when others don't join it they get angry. It is in interesting phenomenon that hsould be studied by psychologists. It is almost like a death cult. Just look at these people in the video and how much they are in denial and in cope...

 

[Something Funny]

@AION let me know when you have something of value to share and not this garbage.

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, AION said:

What I notice is that these vegans all ahve this underlying anger towards people who do eat healthy. I think subconsciously they know that they are performing masochism and they want others to join their masochism and when others don't join it they get angry. It is in interesting phenomenon that hsould be studied by psychologists. It is almost like a death cult. Just look at these people in the video and how much they are in denial and in cope...

 

Something (Oedipus complex, trauma, authoritarian education, modern comfort...) happened in such a way that the psyche developed around a significant castration anxiety (fear of being destroyed, amputated, humiliated...). As the post-phallic phase libido generates castration anxiety, it is diverted towards lower but effective schemes so that the psyche can function in the direction of pleasure.

To speak very concretely, this means that instead of essentially enjoying through sex, food, sport and "normal" things, you will behave more like a psychotic person and invest your libido in imaginary signifiers and in general imaginary games, far from the principle of reality ; Hygiene, politics, personal development, spirituality, humanitarianism, all these are fields of activity rich in neurotic people.
We are all more or less in "regressive psychosis", in the imaginary, otherwise we would all basically be psychopaths but an overinvestment in the imaginary indeed generates very "idealistic" people (vegans, religious, political activists) generally with "paradoxically" a aggressiveness because the phalic desire ("egoistic") is transferred, projected because repressed by the anxiety of castration.

One thing that must be understood is that the egoistic/altruistic split and the split of the object in general is an illusion, the nervous system is nothing but logical, rational when it comes to guaranteeing its survival.
It is in fact a defense mechanism that allows one to project one's castration anxiety onto the other.
But fundamentally there is only selfishness, the real divide is "objective" and dichotomises phallic people, especially men (money, sex, cars, watches, love, manual work, passion...), and people who prefer to enjoy themselves more via regressive schemata.

This is why you can turn a vegan into a meat eater, an anti-racist into a racist, make a religious person abandon his religion etc. with enough xanax or alcohol lol, because whatever the ego thinks in the end all that is only anxiety, and coping with it.

[Schizophonia]

Ps : Aggression comes from the pleasure of hurting the signifier on which the castration anxiety is projected.
It is a mechanism inherited from the anal sadistic stage, where Freud noticed that children could obtain power and differentiate themselves (build their ego !) by refusing to shit where they should and shitting where they shouldn't. 

Edited yesterday at 10:35 AM by Schizophonia

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Sure, "remember your 5 micronutrients" is a real heavy hitter, lmao.

It kinda is, ngl. If you did a little study on this topic you would realize why

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

What's going to happen is you are going to age and die like every other human that has ever existed. You might last 10 years longer or shorter but thats about it.

It's not just about lifespan, but the quality of life as well. I'll feel significantly better than a vegan in this lifetime

I'm not going to get into morality of it as that is a difficult topic and honestly irrelevant from the health standpoint. But I understand that it is unpleasant to actually kill an animal, unfortunately I'm not going to starve myself out just to stand on some sort of moral highground and save a bunch of animals. But if there was a way (or once there's going to be a way) to make an artificial meat which would be 100% the same as a fresh meat you would get from an animal (but 100% guarantee that it's going to be dissease free since it's made in a lab) and it's readilly availible for affordable prices, you know I'd be switching to that kind of meat in a second. I feel that this is really the only actual solution to this dilema. But of course the meat would have to be legit and trustworthy with all the nutrients, minerals etc.

[Schizophonia]

In reality, as the anti-black pill are in fact mentally blackpilled in denial and in mirror with those who identify with it, the anti-vegans are mentally vegans in denial, and who project their regression.
It's all a question of context, how the split of the self is made; On one side hysterical vegans who suddenly become phallic for example in politics (liberals), and on the other anti-vegans (phallic here) but let themselves go to their defense mechanism in politics and become hysterical conservatives ruminating on the blackpill or whatever.

In the end, the vegan/non-vegan battles are essentially a game of mirrors where neurotics throw their poop in each other's faces, a big poop fight.

It's not about being vegan, omnivorous or carnivorous, it's not about diet; it's about identification and libidinal transference onto diet.

[Something Funny]

16 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I'll feel significantly better than a vegan in this lifetime

I am not sure if I'll feel better or not than AN omnivore, whatever the measurement for that is, but I am pretty sure that I will feel a lot better than you in this lifetime

 

 

 

[AION]

26 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Something (Oedipus complex, trauma, authoritarian education, modern comfort...) happened in such a way that the psyche developed around a significant castration anxiety (fear of being destroyed, amputated, humiliated...). As the post-phallic phase libido generates castration anxiety, it is diverted towards lower but effective schemes so that the psyche can function in the direction of pleasure.

To speak very concretely, this means that instead of essentially enjoying through sex, food, sport and "normal" things, you will behave more like a psychotic person and invest your libido in imaginary signifiers and in general imaginary games, far from the principle of reality ; Hygiene, politics, personal development, spirituality, humanitarianism, all these are fields of activity rich in neurotic people.
We are all more or less in "regressive psychosis", in the imaginary, otherwise we would all basically be psychopaths but an overinvestment in the imaginary indeed generates very "idealistic" people (vegans, religious, political activists) generally with "paradoxically" a aggressiveness because the phalic desire ("egoistic") is transferred, projected because repressed by the anxiety of castration.

One thing that must be understood is that the egoistic/altruistic split and the split of the object in general is an illusion, the nervous system is nothing but logical, rational when it comes to guaranteeing its survival.
It is in fact a defense mechanism that allows one to project one's castration anxiety onto the other.
But fundamentally there is only selfishness, the real divide is "objective" and dichotomises phallic people, especially men (money, sex, cars, watches, love, manual work, passion...), and people who prefer to enjoy themselves more via regressive schemata.

This is why you can turn a vegan into a meat eater, an anti-racist into a racist, make a religious person abandon his religion etc. with enough xanax or alcohol lol, because whatever the ego thinks in the end all that is only anxiety, and coping with it.

So true. The thing is that on a forum of this caliber one would expect more self reflection and consciousness. I'm so disappointed.

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, AION said:

The thing is that on a forum of this caliber one would expect more self reflection and consciousness. I'm so disappointed

In yourself?

[daydrinking]

this thread gonna end up like the man vs. women cry one.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Yall take Freud and Nitzche very seriously on this forum

[Basman]

12 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Wdym by ascribing altruism?

The ideological point of veganism is equalizing animals with humans in terms of rights and ethics. There is hardly any point in being vegan if not for ethical reasons.

12 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Mind elaborate?

Veganism is sorely focused on the welfare of individuals as opposed to collectives, like for example an ecology, a forest or a city. Vegans do not prioritize the environment over individual animal welfare for example. For someone like P. Singer, the environment is something to be undermined for that exact reason, advocating for euthanizing predators via contraceptives.

12 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Silly strawman example that has very little to do with what veganism actually advocates for. Are you able to give any serious examples of how people going vegan would harm our society. Lets say 50% of human population went vegan, drastically dropping demand for animal product. How would that undermine society as well as natural ecosystems?

I never said that veganism is necessarily harmful to society. I'm merely pointing out that it is a flawed premise in execution when taking into account the reality we live in. People are simply not going to agree that animals are equivalent to human being across the board. This is obvious.

12 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Also, I love how you conveniently not consider animal farming as something that undermines natural ecosystems. When its effects are disproportionately larger than what some random vegan activists could do in a 100 years if they made raiding mink farms their favorite weekend activity. 

This was about vegans.

The problem with acts like releasing fur minks is that its hypocritical and makes vegans/animal rights activist look stupid and myopic, only being able to focus on the suffering of individual animals. And the fact that the animals vegans/animal rights activists care about are almost always cute makes them seem unprincipled and merely emotional. Releasing an invasive species into the wild isn't even being registered as a potential issues. The consequences don't matter. It all about destroying what you hate right now, which is why I call it childish.

I once lived in close proximity of a dairy farm and one night a group of activists snuck in released all of the cows. Did the cows live happily ever after? No, they got run over by cars and got stuck in ditches. This is why people don't vegans/animal rights activists seriously.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

but I am pretty sure that I will feel a lot better than you in this lifetime

I mean... feeling better than me on what basis? Anything to back that claim up? Anything at all? LMAO

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, Basman said:

The ideological point of veganism is equalizing animals with humans in terms of rights and ethics. There is hardly any point in being vegan if not for ethical reasons.

I agree, but that's not what altruism means? At least not in my understanding.

5 minutes ago, Basman said:

Veganism is sorely focused on the welfare of individuals as opposed to collectives, like for example an ecology, a forest or a city. Vegans do not prioritize the environment over individual animal welfare for example. For someone like P. Singer, the environment is something to be undermined for that exact reason, advocating for euthanizing predators via contraceptives.

I am willing to bet you a million dollars that vegans on average care way more about the environment and ecology than your average person.

Also the example of the guy you are giving is not really fair. You can always find some ultra radical nutjob in every movement. Personally, this is the first time I am hearing about euthanising predators. Most vegans wouldn't support something like this.

If I find you a case where gay couple adopted and raped a child, will that be a good argument to saying that all gays are pedophiles?

9 minutes ago, Basman said:

I never said that veganism is necessarily harmful to society. I'm merely pointing out that it is a flawed premise in execution when taking into account the reality we live in. People are simply not going to agree that animals are equivalent to human being across the board. This is obvious.

A cool thing about veganism is that its not just a mental masturbation philosophy. You can start act on it, directly, at this very moment, by refusing to consume animal products.

It is that simple. So I am not sure what you mean by "flawed execution". It is very straightforward in that you can just focus on yourself and do what you consider to be the right thing.

And then every person can decide for themselves how much activism they want to participate in and what kind.

You don't need to wait until every person on earth shares your worldview. It's not like vegans are trying to overthrow tge government or something.

13 minutes ago, Basman said:

The problem with acts like releasing fur minks is that its hypocritical and makes vegans/animal rights activist look stupid and myopic, only being able to focus on the suffering of individual animals.

Again, the problem with you using those kinds of examples as a critique of veganism is that those are just random nutcases. 99% of vegans have nothing to do with that kind of activism.

And also note that in this case sure, those activists would cause some harm and chaos. And it is an irresponsible and not very wise thing to do.

But when you put it into the perspective of how much harm to individual animals and the environment animal farming causes literally every single day, it just vanishes in comparison.

17 minutes ago, Basman said:

And the fact that the animals vegans/animal rights activists care about are almost always cute makes them seem unprincipled and merely emotional.

This is just blatantly false. Its vegans who advocate for all animals, including humans to have the same basic rights. You've said this yourself.

Its vegans who care about chickens, and pigs, and goats, and slugs, and insects, etc. No matter how cute or ugly they are.

And its your regular person that draws a distinction and has no problem with eating a pig, but when they hear about a dog or a dolphin being killed - they become outraged.

 

[Something Funny]

Just now, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I mean... feeling better than me on what basis? Anything to back that claim up? Anything at all? LMAO

1. You are the one who's made the most unspecific claim ever and said that you are going to feel better than A vegan.

So I can ask you the same. What vegan? How do we establish who is a good representative of A vegan for you to compare yourself to?

And on what basis? How are you planning to back up that claim.

2. At least I named a specific person who I am comparing myself to.

2 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Anything to back that claim up? Anything at all? LMAO

Just my intuition. You seem kind of small minded and petty. So I am pretty sure that I can outdo you simply due to the sheer power of my unyielding, fiery spirit!