Shaming non-vegans is not right.

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, AION said:

Our vegan Batman is probably suffering from male breasts hence the projection

Our brain melt here doesn't know what projection is.

[Ero]

6 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I will leave this life aligned with truth and love, having contributed to a better world for my children. You will die a pathetic hedonist.

I feel the same with fossil fuels and energy, fast fashion industry, etc. While you are on the right side of history, I think you have to accept the fact that very few people are willing to sacrifice to live virtuous lives. That is one of the realizations that helps you to move from Stage Green to Stage Yellow. This is one of the reason I am pursuing highly technical fields, because I believe without fundamentally disruptive technological advancement, the Game A capitalist dynamics will lead to Earth's total destruction. So we simply have to beat them at their own game - by creating the alternatives that are so much better than the status quo that continuing would it would be unattractive to even the most myopic and hedonistic person. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Its ironic that this obsession is what makes you less masculine and actually an antithesis to what a real man is.

It's just an honest observation

8 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

A man is supposed to be confident, stoic, able to endure harsh conditions, grounded in higher values, thinking big vs focusing on petty things. 

Sounds like a slave thinking to me. Also a set of values dictated to you by women (as a collective). Not saying embodying these qualities sometimes isn't usefull but I don't hold that shit like a religion. Seems like you are quite keen on following various religions like a slave.

12 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

And you are obsessed with your looks, like a little girl, living in comfort, and stuffing your belly.  Those are all feminine qualities.

Sound like you're just speaking out of your ass at this point HAHAH

12 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

God forbid someone thinks that your muscles are not big enough.

That's why I don't exercise for big muscles. Only occassionally cause of the sedentary lifestyle we're living nowadays, to keep myself healthy

13 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

God forbid people think that you are a soy boy. You are so afraid of it, you think it is some bad insult, lol.

I wouldn't be afraid of it literaly because I am not eating soy in the first place LOL seems like it would effect you much more tho. You seem quite emotional. You can only be insecure about something that is actually true or could ne true about you. In most cases. Not all of course.

15 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You are obsessed with external opinions instead of being grounded in your own principles.

Everyone needs external opinions. That can never go away

16 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

All about pretending and not being.

Huh?

 

[Something Funny]

@Ero personally, I think that we are already much more technologically advanced than we are mentally and socially. But maybe you are right.

 

[Something Funny]

6 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Sounds like a slave thinking to me. Also a set of values dictated to you by women (as a collective). Not saying embodying these qualities sometimes isn't usefull but I don't hold that shit like a religion. Seems like you are quite keen on following various religions like a slave.

You clearly know nothing of what this whole spirituality and self-actualization work is about. How do people like you even find this forum?

6 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

wouldn't be afraid of it literaly because I am not eating soy in the first place LOL seems like it would effect you much more tho. You seem quite emotional. You can only be insecure about something that is actually true or could ne true about you. In most cases. Not all of course.

6 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Huh?

Zero self awareness...

Edited 14 hours ago by Something Funny

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

20 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Schizophonia my testosterone if fine and so is my muscle condition, thank you.

It sounds like you're a bit on the chubby side honestly, if we compare your height and weight

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You clearly know nothing of what this whole spirituality and self-actualization work is about. How do people like you even find this forum?

I literaly know what it's about and probably been knowing what it's about sooner than you. Life and the world is just a bit more complicated than that. Again, I am not a religious follower like you

[Something Funny]

@NewKidOnTheBlock so what if I were chubby? What horrible thing would happen?

Like I've said, so insecure and obsessed with looks, lol. You can't even comprehend how a person can be confident in their body no matter how it looks.

[Something Funny]

@NewKidOnTheBlock 

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I literaly know what it's about and probably been knowing what it's about sooner than you. Life and the world is just a bit more complicated than that. Again, I am not a religious follower like you

Clearly you don't. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

18 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

so what if I were chubby? What horrible thing would happen?

Nothing, I don't really care, it's just objectively unhealthier LOL but sure go ahead

Edited 14 hours ago by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Ero]

16 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Ero personally, I think that we are already much more technologically advanced than we are mentally and socially. 

That’s true, i.e we are relatively more technologically than socially developed.

But I would argue we are in fact not that technically advanced in the first place. If you use energy as the scale, consider the fact that the total energy we can theoretically extract from the atom is the famous E=mc^2. The Electromagnetic bonds, which are what determine chemical reactions like the burning of coal, gas and oil, account only for 10^(-6) of that total mc^2. So outside of destroying earth, fossil fuels are actually also the most inefficient. Nuclear accounts for 10^(-3) of that, so a 1000x improvement. Fusion will be another step up - clean and literally limitless energy that also costs next to nothing ($0.2 for your entire annual energy consumption). Now that also means you solve the water crisis through desalination, and in turn this empowers sustainable agriculture.

And that doesn’t even mention automation, CRISPR, etc. A lot of society’s problems stem from having to survive in zero-sum games. Once we create abundance, a lot of those pressures will reduce. If course technology doesn’t substitute for conscious development but for sure will make it possible that we don’t destroy ourselves before we learn to be better.

 

[Something Funny]

@NewKidOnTheBlock in what way is it "objectively unhealthier"?

You are acting like I am obese. Sure, I've gained like 10 kg this year, and I don't have the shredded, defined muscles I used to have. But in no way my body type is "objectively unhealthy". 

I actually feel stronger than ever, and my cardio is great cause I cycle 25km to work.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Muscles don't really mean that much you just should have a good ammount of them and in a decent condition, in my opinion it's best to just be above average in strenght, lookwise I don't care how they look like but I'm currently aiming to maximize my functional strength. Can even use some man made metals but inteligently and just the basic exercises with them are enough.

Defined six pack, biceps and shit like that are all irrelevant.

Cardio is BS in my opinion it's enough to just walk a lot. Which you should be doing anyway

The negative effects of your diet haven't manifested themselves yet since it takes some time for them to manifest @Something Funny sometimes years. They can also come in subtly and can be easilly mistaken for something else or justified in your head. So watch out.

I tire of this topic anyway. I'm choosing the path of real manhood personally

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I tire of this topic anyway. I'm choosing the path of real manhood personally

Good luck, have fun

[Basman]

There is no reason not to eat meat from a purely health oriented perspective. It just a matter of quality and quantity of certain kinds of products. Quality meat is perfectly healthy and highly nutritious.

Choosing not to eat meat is necessarily an ideological orientation the vast majority of the time.

Edited 13 hours ago by Basman

[AION]

Eventually all hit the wall. It is just that they slip in a cheat meal once in a while or in worse case be really hardcore about their vegan diet and shit their guts out at the end of the ride. The hidden costs of veganism is hard to predict. Veganism is like a box of chocolates  you never know what kind of health problems you are going to get

 

[Michael569]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Hi homie.

If you have an objection you can go into details and enlighten us with your light. The equivalent of 100g weighed raw of any legume is already heavy to eat and digest knowing that it is only about 350kcal, probably less given the assimilation.
If you need even "only" 2500kcal per day you understand quicky you cannot count on beans; You must count on denser calories sources.

Yes, I have an objection. We've had this debate a thousand times yet I see you keep sliding back to these nonsensical arguments. 

You're an intelligent dude (I genuinely mean that), you read a lot about health and you make tons of good arguments and comments. Yet when it comes to veganism you remain stubborn as a mule.  Btw saying this, I am not vegan so I have no horse in this race. 

Hitting 2500 calories on vegan diet is incredibly easy if you plan it right and so is hitting your protein goals. Vegans do eat more legumes than other people but they don't eat "only" legumes. There are so many ways to meet your protein and calorie goals. 

People don't just eat curries with rice or beans with rice. Only the vegans who don't care about their health eat terribly/ With some creativity you can turn your kitchen into a paradise. And honestly, the better I get with plant cooking the more appealing for me it is to eat out because I end up dissapointed a lot. 

take some examples: 

• There is a hundred ways to create pasta dishes all  the way from napolitana to home-made basil pesto, to vegan variations of mac&cheese to, ginger & pumpkin puree, mushroom puree, tofu paste pastas with home made nut roast flavouring. Not to mention that wholegrain and legumes pastas come at 20-28g of protein per 100g which beats the protein content of chicken. And that's just the pasta bit. Add a tofu/mushroom sauce and you get 45g of protein  per portion. 
• You have vegan burritos, quesadillas, tacos and all things in wraps. All the way from Mexican, Korean, Lebanese, Italian, Moroccan, Indian. Endless combinations that would make your mouth water if somebody ever perpared it for you properly. I wish I could send you a sample of my home made Quesadillas (plant based), I bet it would blow your mind. 
• Next , burgers, falafels, nut roasts, wholegrain roasts, all those things where you mash ingredients together and bake them in a specific shape, again hundreds of variations 
• vegan soups - so many flavours and options, you can load tons of protein in vegan soups, not to mention the content of fibre, antioxidants and essential nutrients. Again, I would love to send you a sample of my broccoli, pea, mint, canellini  bean soup, would make you reconsider your position ! 
• risottos and all sorts of rice bowl dishes 
• and I haven't even gone into all the things you can do with obvious protein sources like tofu, tempeh, seitan , natto etc. 

 

So yeah, you're right if you ate rice and beans , then your life would be pretty miserable but once you become good enough you'll realise that all the people who bash on vegan diets being boring and dull actually have the dullest diets themselves eating chicken , potatoes, chips type of foods all the time. They are just too afraid and too brainswashed. 

Btw hope that meme wasn't offensive. I used it jokingly knowing that you can do better

 

[Something Funny]

@Michael569 he is going to say that this is too expensive and that you either have to be a privileged, entitled westerner, or eat rice and beans.

[Michael569]

@Buck Edwards I blame you for awakening this monster of a topic !! Look what you've done 

[Michael569]

3 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Mmm, heavy metals, my favourite side dish.

I'll slide with what the guys said and in this particular case say that albeit fish are not vegan, it is a food that is generally considered "overwhelmingly healthy."

Whether it is ethical is another side of the discussion.

But low methylmercury fish is , by any definition,  a largely health promoting food, at least according to the current direction of data. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Michael569