Is the Universe Fine-Tuned?

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Do you agree that the vast majority of spiritual teachers don't understand? I see nondualists like Bernardo Kastrup replacing materialism but not fundamentally deconstructing the scientific idea of reductionism and naturalism.

He has easily deconstructed that. For instance, he has said multiple times that he intentionally chooses reductionism and naturalism because it's a strategic thing to do to reach people at this point in history.

Edited Tuesday at 10:39 AM by Carl-Richard

[The Crocodile]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Kastrup is not that advanced.

More serious spiritual people should understand. Although I have stopped trying to account for what others are conscious of as that is a fool's game.

You can see with his conversation with Tom Campbell it turned into a disagreement because Tom knew a lot more about the nature of reality.

Kastrup was like, "We know that materialism is wrong, but we can't really know for sure what's going on." Tom was like, "Yes, you can."

9 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I've never understood the appeal. The fine-tuning argument is essentially "the universe is a particular way, therefore God".

And it's yet another way to anthropomorphize or anthropocentrize something that is not human. The universe is fine-tuned to be exactly what it is, nothing else. It doesn't care about life any more than a rock or a black hole or empty space. It cares about everything. And all of these things fundamentally necessitate each other. They're perfectly interrelated. That's fine-tuning.

I didn't understand it either. But it basically means relative reality has a tendency to entropy or to states not as organized as a bunch of similar or analogous humans who all have eyes, all have arms, all drink water on a spheroidal planet with lots of water, all can have experiences, etc. It points out that the reality has a function of human minds, bodies, etc. doing stuff. This view also solves the Fermi Paradox, because outer space is not that rendered yet.

Not only does the world have an Absolute starting point (God), it has many or infinite relative starting points.

There are nonhuman beings and nonphysical parts of humans, it is a big mistake to think that one lives only physically.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

You can see with his conversation with Tom Campbell it turned into a disagreement because Tom knew a lot more about the nature of reality.

Kastrup was like, "We know that materialism is wrong, but we can't really know for sure what's going on." Tom was like, "Yes, you can."

Ironically Tom also doesn't really get it.

So yeah, there's many levels of getting it. So don't assume it's all the same understanding just because some similar langauge or concepts are used.

Edited Tuesday at 02:20 PM by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ironically Tom also doesn't really get it.

I'd say you get things Tom doesn't and he gets things you don't.

You jumped straight to God. Tom's background is in paranormal things.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Tom's background is in paranormal things.

I have no experience of the paranormal stuff he describes. None. It's like he lives in another reality from me.

Edited Tuesday at 03:01 PM by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

How does the universe being "fine tuned" account for biology. I don't see any connection. 

[The Crocodile]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have no experience of the paranormal stuff he describes. None. It's like he lives in another reality from me.

Well, the solution is for him to smoke 5-MeO and for you to travel out of body, and do remote viewing.

Another practice that could be helpful is scrying, which involves gazing into a reflective surface, such as water or a mirror, to access other dimensions and receive guidance and wisdom. There are what I call stages. Stage One is akin to normal visual snow or sparkles. Stage Two is simple purple blobs. Stage Three is more complex purple blobs, sheets, more multicoloration. Stage Four is powerful sensations in the body like electricity or The Force with purple and black swirling and vortexing together, or some equivalently potent energy-form. Stage Five is like clear light or fluid. It's not just luminous anymore, it's reflective.

Trust your intuition and inner guidance when exploring these paranormal practices, and to always prioritize your own safety and well-being when it comes to any entities or visions and voices you come into contact with.

The sounds or voices you hear are like the sights (persons, objects, energies) you see. As there is an inner sight other than the physical, so there is an inner hearing other than that of the external ear, and it can listen to voices and sounds and words of other worlds, other times and places, or those which come from supraphysical beings. But here's the tricky part, you must be careful. If conflicting voices try to tell you what to do or not to do, you should not listen to them or reply. It is only your own inner self or what feels authentic which can tell you what you should or should not do or guide or advise you.

Edited Tuesday at 03:14 PM by The Crocodile

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

for you to travel out of body, and do remote viewing.

No. That doesn't work on me.

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

No. That doesn't work on me.

Well, the other thing then. Scrying. Light kasina.

[The Crocodile]

@Leo GuraYou may be still in a state of skepticism and uncertainty, wondering if these practices are truly effective and worth your time and effort, but Daniel Ingram and I for example would definitely say it's worth it. He has a habit of doing it for two weeks straight, twelve hours a day with or without other people, such that he got for example the ability to craft dragons exactly as he wanted. I never have the light without me, there's a bio-electromagnetism in the air always, and I'll be for the next ten days attending to Mar-a-Lago for ten hours everynight listening to music, the energy pulsating to the rhythm of the music.

The specific/general instructions for fire kasina is to stare into a light or candleflame without blinking for as long as possible (traditionally until the eyes water) and then shut your eyes (possibly with a blindfold or sleeping mask) to focus on the light and observe or tend to its fluctuations, grainy details, brightness, hues, etc. Like I said Stage One is akin to normal visual snow or sparkles. Stage Two is simple purple blobs. Stage Three is more complex purple blobs, sheets, more multicoloration. Stage Four is powerful sensations in the body like electricity or The Force with purple and black swirling and vortexing together, or some equivalently potent energy-form. There you might get shapeshifting, but so far it's probably only "micro-shapeshifting" like perceiving a third arm that extends into the sky or dozens of feet down below an overpass. Stage Five is like clear light or fluid. It's not just luminous anymore, it's reflective, and the remote viewing on surfaces might look like it's made of the same stuff as the normal world.

You'll also see demons, people you want to connect with, other realms, other worlds, mice and dancing monkeys, etc. Looking at somebody's body you can see twisting dreams and thoughts inside the person's body. In your own body there are different dreams that appear out of the stomach versus the kidneys or the forehead, and so on.

Simplest form, you stare at a candle flame (or other source of flame, such as a lamp, or even the LED from a phone), close your eyes, and pay attention to what you actually see. It is the basis of deep concentration states, fascinating visual and other magickal experiences, and can also serve as a basis for insight and awakening. It can also be done eyes open, as well as standing, walking, laying down, etc. 

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Well, the other thing then. Scrying. Light kasina.

I regard all that as nonsense.

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I regard all that as nonsense.

If you looked up "scrying" and read some stuff it was certainly nonsense. If you looked up "light kasina" it would have been buddhists . . . So I shouldn't have used those terms.

I mean the actual mechanics of it.

So you stare into a candleflame or other light until your eyes water, close your eyes and attend to imagery until it's no longer organized enough, repeat. You do that over and over.

[mmKay]

What if the entire Universe is fine-tuned for you to have this very exact experience you're going through, so that you can learn, experience and evolve through the very challenges and cirucumstances you're facing? 

How would that context change your attitude towards life?

Edited Tuesday at 04:09 PM by mmKay

[Leo Gura]

Just now, The Crocodile said:

So you stare into a candleflame or other light until your eyes water, close your eyes and attend to imagery until it's no longer organized enough, repeat. You do that over and over.

Sure, one could do that. But it doesn't interest me.

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Sure, one could do that. But it doesn't interest me.

Wouldn't you want paranormal stuff and real magic though?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Wouldn't you want paranormal stuff and real magic though?

It does not exist in my reality.

Edited Tuesday at 04:11 PM by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura

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It does not exist in my reality.

Or you lack the practice of the techniques maybe? So if you did exercises of inducing OOBE for example, it won't happen, you know that for sure?

[The Crocodile]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It does not exist in my reality.

Your argument for not introducing it into your reality is that it doesn't exist in your reality.

Imagine if someone used that as an argument for not experiencing God?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Your argument for not introducing it into your reality is that it doesn't exist in your reality.

No, I meant something deeper.

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No, I meant something deeper.

Alright, well whatever depth we have to plumb here, I'll make the argument that since it exists in my reality, and Tom Campbell's reality, and a bunch of other people's realities, and that you're a character in my reality, your character development is going to be to try fire kasina. Now get to it.