Breaking News: Trudeau Announces Resignation

[Quader]

@Buck Edwards What matters to canadians who are struggling? Rent control, post secondary education/training costs, healthcare (remove the cost of medicines/aid), food prices that skew towards corporate milking,  to provide people dignity in life regardless of production potential. There is compassion and kindness amongst canadians that supercede the law. There is no threat from "illegal aliens", only from monopolistic contractors that the government needs to hire to "get 'er done". They can supply a workforce through policy,  but their teeth ends in sorting it all out on the ground (who builds the homes and sells them for what price?).

Canada can be a bastion of support to the disenfranchised and those people need help first. It would be a vision to see the canadian populace stay their blade and let others through first. There's a lot of greed that could use to be stifled, many rich who feel wanting. It's a tall order, Canada isnt ready and it will succumb to the AXE THE TAX movement. Most people in canada don't even know why taxes exist outside to rob them. Educated people but there's too much mud in the water.

The best I can hope for Canada is to limit the backsliding I'm afraid, Canada follows suit with Trump. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:15 AM by Quader
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[Contrast]

@Leo Gura How do you understand this whole situation from a spiral dynamics point of view?

because i used to think that conscious stage green politics is systematically better than stage blue politics, yet this situation with Trudeau seems to suggest that its not that simple. he basically turned the whole country against him.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Contrast said:

How do you understand this whole situation from a spiral dynamics point of view?

There are many ways to explain it.

When in doubt, remind yourself that people are ignorant and have no understanding of how goverance works or what is best.

I don't know enough Canadian politics to comment more specifically, but one thing I know is that these waves of populism are based in stupidity.

Edited Tuesday at 01:32 PM by Leo Gura

[Jodistrict]

Populism emerges when the public loses trust in the elites and institutions.  The policies (such as mass destablizing immigration and anti-family wokeism) of the Western elites has become widely unpopular.   

There have been other populist movements in US politics.  The Jacksonian Era (1820s -1830) emphasized the rights of the common man against the elites, the progressive moment of Theodore Roosevelt, Huey Long,  The Tea Party,  Bernie Sanders Campaign.     

Populism is a democratic response to elites who become out of touch with the needs of the people. 

 

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

but one thing I know is that these waves of populism are based in stupidity.

Do you empathize with why the waves of populism occur in the first place? 

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Populism emerges when the public loses trust in the elites and institutions.  The policies (such as mass destablizing immigration and anti-family wokeism) of the Western elites has become widely unpopular.   

There have been other populist movements in US politics.  The Jacksonian Era (1820s -1830) emphasized the rights of the common man against the elites, the progressive moment of Theodore Roosevelt, Huey Long,  The Tea Party,  Bernie Sanders Campaign.     

Populism is a democratic response to elites who become out of touch with the needs of the people. 

Pretty much my thoughts. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:19 PM by Bobby_2021

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Do you empathize with why the waves of populism occur in the first place? 

At this point I don't care. It's too ignorant for me to play into acknowledging its validity.

I will not feed the populism beast. It's gotten too fat.

Edited Tuesday at 04:39 PM by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

Oh we are very stupid. @Leo Gura

Reading and looking at Canadian Political commentary is so dumb, even for a person with limited political understanding as me. 

I think Piere Poilievre is gonna see what he is asking for.

The very way the  conservatives are doing politics should be a screaming alarm to Canadians. But, it appears many Canadians are still operating using their lizard brain.

Edited Tuesday at 06:07 PM by Thought Art

[Hardkill]

16 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I’m surprised Hardkill hasn’t already written 10 paragraphs.

I don't know much about Canadian politics. However, from what I understand, Trudeau's party is in trouble because they are being blamed for similar things that have been going on in the US including the lingering effects of inflation, housing shortage, economic inequality, toxic polarizing media landscape, xenophobia, racial demagoguery, etc. 

Although, those factors seem to be even worse in America.

Edited Tuesday at 06:12 PM by Hardkill

[Thought Art]

3 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I don't know much about Canadian politics. Although from what I understand, Trudeau's party is in trouble because they are being blamed for similar things that have been going on in the US including the lingering effects of inflation, housing shortage, economic inequality, toxic polarizing media landscape, xenophobia, racial demagoguery, etc. 

This is basically how I understand it. The Conversatives are just riding the angry gravy train all the way to tuna town.

One of the biggest struggles I have in understanding politics and systems is what is causing what...

It's unclear to me exactly what is true. I personally like Trudeau in how he communicates with respect and dignity. People hate that. 

They prefer Pierre who speaks like a dog.

Edited Tuesday at 06:04 PM by Thought Art

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I’m under no business to be judging Canadian politics, it’s their country their sovereignty.

But judging by this video below, NDP seems to be the only party with voting for. The Liberals seem to be a bunch of centrist corporate types who talk a big progressive game but don’t do anything meaningful for working class people.

And this next one is unnecessary but just for fun. The video above is more essential for understanding who is who and who stands for what in current the current political landscape.

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:33 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Twentyfirst]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

At this point I don't care. It's too ignorant for me to play into acknowledging its validity.

I will not feed the populism beast. It's gotten too fat.

Did you see Tate is running for UK Prime Minister? BRUV party 

He's copying Trumps campaign 

It's getting fatter ahaha

[lina]

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Oh we are very stupid. @Leo Gura

Reading and looking at Canadian Political commentary is so dumb, even for a person with limited political understanding as me. 

I think Piere Poilievre is gonna see what he is asking for.

The very way the  conservatives are doing politics should be a screaming alarm to Canadians. But, it appears many Canadians are still operating using their lizard brain.

Unfortunately yes it is really depressing. One thing I noticed with Pierre's supporters is that they tend to exaggerate issues and say things like "Canada became a third world country, Canada is broken, Canada is destroyed, ...etc."  which makes them appear like entitled brats or some seriously uneducated folks. 

Canadians always used to identity themselves as more "intelligent" than their neighbor in the south. This upcoming election will be the litmus test I guess. 

[Buck Edwards]

Housing shortage is a big problem in Canada. Canada is not as large as the US so comparisons are futile. 

[Lyubov]

The thing is I don't see populism as all bad. It just seems like these sort of movements are corrupted by the most obviously not populist type people and in addition the actual policy that's put into play does jack shit for any of the voters. The MAGA masses just want their red meat in the form of immigration reform and deportations, apart from that what else are they even hoping to get from Trump? 

[Bobby_2021]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

At this point I don't care. It's too ignorant for me to play into acknowledging its validity.

I will not feed the populism beast. It's gotten too fat.

If it is so big, then do not resist. Give up and maybe join the movement. You are not making any difference anyway.

On the other hand, isn't your whole life about understanding stuff, and you do not want to understand the populism that is making the biggest changes in the global political landscape?? Seems a little uncharacteristic of you.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

On 1/7/2025 at 6:13 PM, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I’m under no business to be judging Canadian politics, it’s their country their sovereignty.

But judging by this video below, NDP seems to be the only party with voting for. The Liberals seem to be a bunch of centrist corporate types who talk a big progressive game but don’t do anything meaningful for working class people.

And this next one is unnecessary but just for fun. The video above is more essential for understanding who is who and who stands for what in current the current political landscape.

 

 

 

 

Posting this because I recently saw Leo's blog post on J.J. McCullough. https://www.actualized.org/insights/jj-mccullough

I've been following JJ for quite a while and have looked at his channel from time to time. The two videos I posted above are pretty good and are a good introduction to his channel, but I also liked his video and livestream criticizing Trump.

What's interesting is that his takes are well balanced and reasonable, and yet he calls himself a Conservative. I don't know if he means ‘Conservative’ as in identifying as being ideologically a Conservative or being a member of the Conservative Party [probably both], but that's what he calls himself. Despite being this, he is super critical of Trump, and ran a whole livestream criticizing him before the election.

 

Edited Thursday at 01:45 AM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

and yet he calls himself a Conservative. I

That's why I like him.

Even though he is conservative he is mature enough to see that MAGA is pervertry.

That's a healthy kind of conservative we need.

Edited Wednesday at 07:06 PM by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

He's also super youthful, handsome, and energetic despite being 41. I immediately thought he was in his early 30's.

[ZeldaStar]

On 1/6/2025 at 11:54 PM, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, Canada is such an awful place.

It wasn't a bad place 9 years ago which makes the case for voting for Conservatives in this next election much more appealing. To me the biggest two political issues here are the spike in housing prices and the lockdowns/emergency act that Trudeau invoked when people were protesting his awful 2-year lockdown.  

Though as a first-time Canadian voter in the next election, I am very curious to hear other perspectives on this, and if people here would recommend still voting for liberals, or instead recommend voting NDP, who has supported the liberals along all this time until Singh managed to get his pension. 

[lina]

22 hours ago, ZeldaStar said:

It wasn't a bad place 9 years ago which makes the case for voting for Conservatives in this next election much more appealing. To me the biggest two political issues here are the spike in housing prices and the lockdowns/emergency act that Trudeau invoked when people were protesting his awful 2-year lockdown.  

Though as a first-time Canadian voter in the next election, I am very curious to hear other perspectives on this, and if people here would recommend still voting for liberals, or instead recommend voting NDP, who has supported the liberals along all this time until Singh managed to get his pension. 

How would conservatives help with the housing prices when the leader PP himself voted against the funding and investment in the development of affordable housing units?

https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140

 Also, do you think it would have been wiser to not impose a lockdown as an attempt to mitigate complicated cases during a global pandemic of an unknown virus especially in a country that provides free healthcare?  

Edited yesterday at 02:46 AM by lina