5-MeO without trip sitter ?

[Loveeee]

You can stop breathing, or choke on your vomit, or hurt yourself by trashing around while blacked out, etc ? 

[Leo Gura]

Of course there are risks.

But even with a trip sitter there are risks.

It really depends on how good your self-control is and how unhinged your mind gets. If you have poor self-control and you cannot discipline yourself to carefully stick to tripping protocol, then use a trip sitter.

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course there are risks.

But even with a trip sitter there are risks.

It really depends on how good your self-control is and how unhinged your mind gets. If you have poor self-control and you cannot discipline yourself to carefully stick to tripping protocol, then use a trip sitter.

What about breath stop and choking on your vomit ? 

[Jowblob]

21 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

What about breath stop and choking on your vomit ? 

Its an illussion during meditation i don't breath, during many trips i didnt breath either. That you don't breath and that there is air that needs to be inhaled is an illussion, it requires work , self control of the mind to understand this. 

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

Its an illussion during meditation i don't breath, during many trips i didnt breath either. That you don't breath and that there is air that needs to be inhaled is an illussion, it requires work , self control of the mind to understand this. 

You did 5meo ? What about vomit choke

[Leo Gura]

If you don't eat, per proper protocol, you cannot vomit.

Not breathing has never happened to me so I don't know. Maybe for some it is a problem. But do you really need another person to tell you to breathe? If so, you probably shouldn't be touching 5-MeO at that point.

Edited January 6 by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

4 hours ago, Jowblob said:

Its an illussion during meditation i don't breath, during many trips i didnt breath either. That you don't breath and that there is air that needs to be inhaled is an illussion, it requires work , self control of the mind to understand this. 

It's said that if you master kumbhaka you can levitate.

[The Crocodile]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you don't eat, per proper protocol, you cannot vomit.

Not breathing has never happened to me so I don't know. Maybe for some it is a problem. But do you really need another person to tell you to breathe? If so, you probably shouldn't be touching 5-MeO at that point.

If I've had a thing of psychedelic shits where my intestines just empty out in a temporally fractal way, and I would just find an eternally resonant drawer to shit in.

But when you said, "I have shit stains on my floor, I have blood splatters on my walls, I have damage all over my house," I'm like bleh, I've done that sober too.

[Loveeee]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you don't eat, per proper protocol, you cannot vomit.

Not breathing has never happened to me so I don't know. Maybe for some it is a problem. But do you really need another person to tell you to breathe? If so, you probably shouldn't be touching 5-MeO at that point.

People say you can still choke on bile or whatever remains ? Also their argument is that you can stop breathing or trash around while being effectively unconscious of this reality ?

Surely you know what you're talking about but it seems like there's a consensus that one shouldn't trip alone ? How common is it ? 

[shree]

10 hours ago, Loveeee said:

You can stop breathing, or choke on your vomit, or hurt yourself by trashing around while blacked out, etc ? 

Thatss why you need to follow a proper protocol. Leo explains it thoroughly in his video.

A trip sitter without experience with the chem can create more harm and panic than being alone.

 

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, shree said:

Thatss why you need to follow a proper protocol. Leo explains it thoroughly in his video.

A trip sitter without experience with the chem can create more harm and panic than being alone.

 

This is very important. Never ever do 5 meo with a trip sitter who never touched 5 Meo himself.

On 5 Meo you will look so dead he can freak out and do unnecessary things (calling ambulance etc). 

[AION]

Breathing happens automatically by your subconscious. It is just the mind who is afraid to let go. The thing with a trip sitter is that: If you think you need a trip sitter you should get a trip sitter.

Edited January 6 by AION

[ROOBIO]

13 hours ago, shree said:

Thatss why you need to follow a proper protocol. Leo explains it thoroughly in his video.

A trip sitter without experience with the chem can create more harm and panic than being alone.

 

What video does he explain protocol?

[OBEler]

@ROOBIO in the video dangers of psychedelics. 

The protocol is for higher doses. Just normal common sense. Put your gun and knifes away close windows and put smartphone away. Just everything which can harm you.

Edited January 7 by OBEler

[TheGod]

There is definatelly something wrong with me. I read it as "5-MeO without trip sister"

[Loveeee]

Anyone else here takes 5meo without a sitter ? I'm hesitant because of that, and the fact that it's potentially lethal if you weight it wrong or whatever, unlike acid or shrooms 

Btw I'm talking about the freebase/smoking way

Edited February 8 by Loveeee

[Paradoxed]

34 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Anyone else here takes 5meo without a sitter ? I'm hesitant because of that, and the fact that it's potentially lethal if you weight it wrong or whatever, unlike acid or shrooms 

Btw I'm talking about the freebase/smoking way

I have done it. There is a sense that you need to remember to breathe for sure. Your heart rate will also increase. Be aware that people do turn blue and stop breathing- there is a risk to doing the drug whether you are alone or not. if you do vomit and you have taken too much, a sitter can turn you on your side and make sure you don't choke. It's hard to say that you won't puke without having eaten- vomiting can still occur without food being in your stomach, but I personally haven't felt nausea. For some reason, I am also concerned about a heart attack from 5meo- I have experienced heart flutters, but a rapid heart rate is normal. If you are worried like this, you probably will not have a good experience because your fear will shape things. That being said, fear is part of the experience. This is nothing like LSD or mushrooms. I went through this entire line of thinking, and it's probably better safe than sorry to have a facilitator. If you don't, just start at a very small dose and work your way up. You need to be ready to let go, and essentially accept your own death. Having an experienced facilitator could make you feel safer and allow you to do this. It can be a pretty tough experience for a lot of people. Last time I did it, I felt that I could stop my own heart if I chose to, but I was completely at peace.

Smoking is going to be much more intense with a faster come up compared to other ROAs.

Edited February 8 by Paradoxed

[Clarence]

10 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Anyone else here takes 5meo without a sitter ?

I do. For me, it feels very safe. My very first trip on 5-MeO-DMT was on 12 mg plugged. I was very confident it the dose (the quantity in the yellow spoon matched the scale digits) and my environnement and position was under control. I sat back on my bed against pillows with the intention to fully let go—so, with the intention of not resisting the trip in any way. With a low dose like this, the likelyhood of losing consciousness, I believe, is close to zero.

It is actually more challenging as you won't fully breakthrough.

You're also more likely to experience nausea at the very beginning of the trip, while your consciousness is shifting, rather than in the peak—which is when the nausea ends for me when it occurs. So in case you were to feel sick, you could easily move to grab a bucket, for example.

The only time I forgot part of my trip, and so lost track of my position in my bed, was during the peak of a 35 mg 5-MeO-MALT trip. It was a very strong dose for me, and I believe the main reason why I forgot about the peak was because I had closed my eyes.

I read older threads recently, and in one of them, Leo adviced to keep one's eyes open so the trip doesn't turn into a dreamlike memory and to « realize that the Absolute is ordinary life ». So that's what I do now, and that has improved the quality of my trips. I've done it recently on 31 mg of MALT, so a very close quantity to that other trip, and I was fully conscious, aware of my body and my surroundings, all the way through.

So a good advice regarding your fears would be to keep your eyes open.

You will also be able to keep track of you breathing that way. I've never really been concerned about it, but it is true that your breathing can change. I start breathing much more deeply during the come up and the peak. But this is also becoming more fluid now that I keep my eyes open. In past trips, I would take long breaks in between breadths while I was lying in a foetal position with my eyes closed, but it felt comfortable and natural. When I became conscious of that during the peak, it didn't feel threathening. I didn't get the scary feeling that I had come close to kill myself. I had kept breathing despite the breaks and I wasn't feeling out of breath.

However, now that I keep my eyes open, I have total awareness of my breathing at all times, so I don't take breaks like I used to anymore.

I'm not experienced with smoking, but as it hits harder and as you have some fears, why not plug it? It's very easy and sounds better in your case. You'll have a better control of your dose too, which is especially important as a beginner. It would likely be easier and less scary as you'd be certain of what you're doing and how much you're taking.

[Tanz]

If you are asking yourself if you need someone, then that could mean you should have someone there for you.  
If you want to work your way up alone, then do small doses for a few months and work your way up 

[Loveeee]

On 2/9/2025 at 10:48 AM, Clarence said:

I'm not experienced with smoking, but as it hits harder and as you have some fears, why not plug it? It's very easy and sounds better in your case

 

On 2/8/2025 at 11:29 PM, Paradoxed said:

Smoking is going to be much more intense with a faster come up compared to other ROAs.

Freebase is all I found but looking for ways to convert it to HCL / salt, made a new topic