Model of development better than SD?!

[WonderSeeker]

Most of you have not heard about this model.

Disciples of Clair Graves's work did a helluva job popularizing it into Spiral Dynamics. 

But not so much with Kazimierz Dabrowski's theory of positive disintegration (TPD).

Yet, this model deserves to be as well-known IMO.

This is for you if you are:

• gifted
• an HSP
• extrasensory
• alienated by society in general

The theory places emotional intelligence (EQ) over cognitive (IQ) in terms of real transformation to get to levels of consciousness of mystics and sages.

The theory says if you're going though deep emotional struggle as you try to make sense of self and society, it's a massive sign you're actually growing.

As you develop you define your values more and more sharply and begin living them more closely. This is what forms a human personality, as opposed to fitting-in.

I could go on and on.

Here's a couple resources if you're curious.

Also can't recommend the book by Sal Mendaglio enough.

I'm making a big study out of this work and plan to teach it online in combination with trauma release.

@Leo Gura you should check this out. Pairs well with SD and EDT.

Edited Saturday at 10:31 PM by WonderSeeker

[TheAlchemist]

I agree about the individuation part. It seems a certain sense of alienation can be very fruitful for the development of individuated existence.

Not finding a community to belong to, having identity-crises, self-doubt etc. can all be healthy signs of coming into contact with ones (sometimes painful) individual subjectivity. 

A model that specifically explores the unfoldment of subjectivity would be quite interesting. Although it would need to have a disintegration point where the model must fail, since it can't really account for or model the subjectivity itself once it has unfolded.

Edited Saturday at 11:31 PM by TheAlchemist

[Carl-Richard]

Yes. Resonates a lot with my view of myself (except the gifted part 💩🙉💩😉; mandatory humble signalling).

[Fluran]

pretty juicy

[Nilsi]

It sounds like a textbook rationalization for individuals who fail to properly integrate into society, reveling in their own antisocial tendencies.

The video smugly dismissed salespeople as mere manipulators, tricking others into buying things they don't need. This stereotype is as tired as it is reductive. The true art of sales lies in connecting people with products or services that genuinely improve their lives - a skill far more challenging and rewarding than it’s given credit for. Unless you’re peddling outright scams, like Jordan Belfort’s penny stocks, being an effective salesperson demands aligning your actions and values. This is how you truly reach what they referred to as "Level 5."

Effectiveness in the real world requires empathy - not some vague abstraction, but the ability to genuinely connect with "normal" people and inspire them to join your cause. Even MLK, who was name-dropped in that video, mastered this. He possessed a profound understanding of human nature, navigating the delicate balance between lofty idealism and practical implementation. That’s how real change happens - not through condescension, but through connection and persuasion.

Edited yesterday at 11:40 AM by Nilsi

[WonderSeeker]

14 hours ago, Nilsi said:

It sounds like a textbook rationalization for individuals who fail to properly integrate into society, reveling in their own antisocial tendencies.

Brother, that's actually part of the model.

At Level I you have some people who maladjust to society in the negative direction (pyschopaths, sociopaths).

But you can also have people who are positively maladjusted.

These are the ones who start progressing through the levels.

Doesn't mean they cram themselves into their homes and do nothing.

You stay in society as you learn to make more sense of it and your emotions.

14 hours ago, Nilsi said:

The video smugly dismissed salespeople as mere manipulators, tricking others into buying things they don't need. This stereotype is as tired as it is reductive. The true art of sales lies in connecting people with products or services that genuinely improve their lives - a skill far more challenging and rewarding than it’s given credit for. Unless you’re peddling outright scams, like Jordan Belfort’s penny stocks, being an effective salesperson demands aligning your actions and values. This is how you truly reach what they referred to as "Level 5."

Effectiveness in the real world requires empathy - not some vague abstraction, but the ability to genuinely connect with "normal" people and inspire them to join your cause. Even MLK, who was name-dropped in that video, mastered this. He possessed a profound understanding of human nature, navigating the delicate balance between lofty idealism and practical implementation.

Interesting.

I've been in sales for a year.

There's some truth to what you said about the stereotype.

However, I literally "winged" with some of the top reps in the D2D industry last year.

They're fuckin machines and ABSOLUTELY will act nice and do anything to get the sale.

No different than a sexy stripper girl walking up and sedeucing guys at the strip club.

Then you have genuine dudes who connect with people and find real Win/Wins.

I have a friend in furniture sales who does exactly this.

Then, yes, you have MLK 'selling' millions on his vision.

This sales thing was quite the tangent...

14 hours ago, Nilsi said:

The video smugly dismissed...

That’s how real change happens - not through condescension, but through connection and persuasion.

Watching the above videos is like licking a 4x10 foot popsicle that comprises the whole theory.

Like any other model you need to study it deeply.

Or you'll easily misunderstand it.

Edited 20 hours ago by WonderSeeker

[WonderSeeker]

On 1/4/2025 at 4:24 PM, TheAlchemist said:

I agree about the individuation part. It seems a certain sense of alienation can be very fruitful for the development of individuated existence.

It's funny cuz I feel like I'm living two lives where on the left hand I mingle with society.

But on the right I explore myself and my passions deeply.

On 1/4/2025 at 4:24 PM, TheAlchemist said:

A model that specifically explores the unfoldment of subjectivity would be quite interesting. Although it would need to have a disintegration point where the model must fail, since it can't really account for or model the subjectivity itself once it has unfolded.

Yeah the model sort of breaks down around Level V.

[WonderSeeker]

On 1/4/2025 at 5:27 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Yes. Resonates a lot with my view of myself (except the gifted part 💩🙉💩😉; mandatory humble signaling).

As they say, show don't tell