Humans and Islam

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, zazen said:

think a better way of viewing people, cultures etc is that they are behind vs they are backwards

The problem that I see is that Islam is not behind, it's stagnant. and its essence forces it to remain ever more firm in its stagnation. islam as an entity sees that there is another entity absolutely contrary to it that has enormous power. it is a beast that will devour it from within and disintegrate it, because that is really what would happen if islam were to open up, that it would disappear, it would dissolve in the crucible of agnostic western capitalist ideosyncrasy. this is happening, many muslims realize that being muslim is stupid, but then they look out into the free world without spiritual laws, and they feel out of place, or at least is that I saw. I only knew two guys from a Muslim family who had become completely free-minded, two guys who were quite smart and fearless, but few succeed because if they don't fit in well they go back to their roots. Very strong personality is needed. If not you see the típical Muslim that is seduced by the high level, party, money ,cars and sex, but empty inside. It's difficult to live without roots, and Islam give roots. But roots are a jail, the western mind is liquid, without firm pillars, but it is free. Its potential is enormous but so are its risks, the uncertainty is complete. It is normal that Islam does not want to jump into that abyss but it cannot remain clinging to its mother's skirts forever. Islam is simply fear.

5 hours ago, zazen said:

The fact Islam was applied in a way that was less rigid before tells us this is possible - when they had a more developed and thriving civilization. 

That happened because Islam was comfortable in it's situation of power, then could relax itself a bit

5 hours ago, zazen said:

death penalty talk around apostasy came from specific historical contexts where leaving the faith meant essentially committing treason against the entire social order - because at the time when they had warring tribes it meant allying with the adversary. It was treated as treason - similar to how the legal punishment for treason in the US

The problem is that all the others big religions deal with the divine, not the human in the legal sense. Buddhism is not applicable as a legal system, nor is Hinduism. Christianity is attempted but it is ridiculous because it is a religion of forgiveness and in society there is no forgiveness, there is condemnation, then Christianity began to remain outside the state as soon as Europe came out of the Middle Ages. Islam does not do it, modern political power and Islam are compatible. There is an Islamic bank and it's logical, legitimate.  I think a Christian bank is a corrupted joke. The horrible hypocrisy of Catholicism made Protestantism emerge. Protestantism is the end of the real political power of Catholicism. It becomes marginal, Catholic countries are second rate, the main ones are Protestant, except France which is Catholic but lots of partying and whores in the king's court 🤣. Spain remains Catholic, that's why they (us) were left behind, stagnated 

Why the Islam can't be the religion of ibn Arabi? Then it would be the religion of love and tolerance. But seems impossible. I don't understand how someone like ibn Arabi wouldn't be forbidden in Islam , maybe they didn't realize that ibn Arabi was a hippie 

Edited January 18 by Breakingthewall