Distinction between actuality and imagination/concepts

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Kairos said:

@Leo Gura How would you define taste ?

And how can you distinguish good taste from a bad one isn't that baised ?

Contemplate it for yourself.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Beauty and taste are not the same thing.

Dude stop being lazy and get to it . You throwing around  ambiguous one liners without explanations 😂. 

[Kairos]

@Leo Gura Dude I got shi to do 😂

But okay I'll try but can't you tell ???

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Yeah but the talk is about relative beauty. 

 

There is no such thing . This  is what awakening is all about . To see everything as pure beauty. If you actually stopped whatever you are doing right now and looked around you to the sky ..the moon ..Sun..flowers ..bugs ..creatures etc and really looked at them as if you are looking at them for the first time ..you might die from the beauty (if you're awake).

[Kairos]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

reality is absolute beauty

Yeah that's an empowering perspective but if someone thinks the opposite that reality is absolutely shhity how will that be wrong ?Like Schopenhauer

In truth reality is neutral and you can label it however u want .IT JUST IS 

The Absolute goodness perspective is EMPOWERING so I'll take that .

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There is no such thing . This  is what awakening is all about . To see everything as pure beauty. If you actually stopped whatever you are doing right now and looked around you to the sky ..the moon ..Sun..flowers ..bugs ..creatures etc and really looked at them as if you are looking at them for the first time ..you might die from the beauty (if you're awake).

Just an ideology. There are no rule books that says one has to see everything as beautiful. That's a condition. Unconditional love doesn't give a shit about seeing everything beautiful. Seeing things as they are without interpretation and adjectives is more ideal. 

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Kairos said:

In truth reality is neutral and you can label it however u want .IT JUST IS 

❤️

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Dude stop being lazy and get to it . You throwing around  ambiguous one liners without explanations 😂. 

Am I the lazy one or are you?

[Davino]

26 minutes ago, Kairos said:

In truth reality is neutral and you can label it however u want .IT JUST IS 

The Absolute goodness perspective is EMPOWERING so I'll take that .

In the beginning and mid stages of the Awakening process, Reality is perceived as being what is, neutral or equanimous.

That's till one discovers that Reality is the manifestation of Absolute Love. In the same way that when you add all colours you have white or LIGHT, not black and not a rainbow either. 

It is true that it's a cold love or an impersonal love, which can be disilusioning at first but as one opens up and surrenders more, it is seen that at all levels, Reality is a race or asymptote towards ever more Infinite Love. For something to exist it has to be loved enough for it to exist, in actuality being and love are identical. It makes my eyes wet and draws a smile in my face just expresing these great truths and being in tune with existence in such a way. See all that you care in your life is to feel LOVE

Only LOVE is enough. Only LOVE scratches the itch. Only LOVE satisfies.

That's what Reality IS

What you and me: What everything happens to BE

 

You're loved so much you're allowed to be miserable. Reality is in such a way that loves everything as it is, such is the brutal cold nature of Love.

Edited Monday at 07:43 PM by Davino

[Someone here]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Just an ideology. There are no rule books that says one has to see everything as beautiful. That's a condition. Unconditional love doesn't give a shit about seeing everything beautiful. Seeing things as they are without interpretation and adjectives is more ideal. 

Spiritual nihilism relativism. As expected. 

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Am I the lazy one or are you?

We are contemplating together Leo .

 I ask What makes someone beautiful and someone ugly ? I'm asking about the metaphysics of beauty . wouldn't you say that all of reality is equally beautiful but our biases and judgment distorts our perceptions of reality ?

What is beautiful about a betiful face? Some argue that the more symmetrical your face is.. the more beautiful it is ..But why? Why is symmetry beautiful and asymmetrical faces ugly?  I guess I'm asking a question similar to why is sugar sweet or why sweet is sweet.?.. . At some point we just hit rock bottom and well.. It's just the way it is. 

[Davino]

@Someone here Contemplation is most useful when it allows you to change the State of Consciousness

You do much contemplation brother but it's like spinning your wheels in the mud, your state must shift from your contemplation. That's they key you're missing

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Spiritual nihilism relativism. As expected. 

Seriously. Saying Reality is neutral is nihilism. OK, if you say so. Call it what you wish.

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

why is sugar sweet or why sweet is sweet

Taste buds. Sugar isn't sweet. The taste buds is the difference. Someone with no taste buds can't tell the difference, so it's the taste buds not the sugar.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Someone here Contemplation is most useful when it allows you to change the State of Consciousness

You do much contemplation brother but it's like spinning your wheels in the mud, your state must shift from your contemplation. That's they key you're missing

I want to feel the full glory and magnificence of God and reality . I want my body to be thrown into outer space and travel faster than the speed of light in all directions to the very edges of the observed universe which of course has no edges but I might enter into a black hole and after getting my body sucked into it I might enter a whole new dimension of existence. I want to explode into infinity. I want a complete Samadhi that keeps  my soul in a mystical sufi bless and awe forever and ever.

Shit out of luckk that I have no access to psychedelics..especially that i live in india which is probably the first culture that began the spiritual path😂 

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

I want to feel the full glory and magnificence of God and reality

What are the strategic steps you are taking to make that into reality?

What is the plan you have in the next ten years to reach God-Consciousness?

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Taste buds. Sugar isn't sweet. The taste buds is the difference. Someone with no taste buds can't tell the difference, so it's the taste buds not the sugar.

That's just an example. The question I'm asking in general is why a thing is whatever it is ?. Water is wet . Why ? There is no answer. It just is whatever it is .nobody has the faintest clue .am i wrong ?

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

What is the plan you have in the next ten years to reach God-Consciousness?

How can one make plans to reach God Consciousness in 10 yrs when time and space doesn't really exist. I'm not saying we don't live in time and space; but something as God Consciousness, if there's even such a thing can only be accessed now. We can make plans for our future and living in the dream, but you're also saying accessing God Consciousness is also a dream if you're placing it in the future that doesn't exist.

[Someone here]

@Davino Listening to what I said to Leo to Stop being lazy and get to it. All of the info i need is at my  fingertips. I just need the willingness and discipline to (correctly) use it.

With that being said I'm more awake than you .

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

That's just an example. The question I'm asking in general is why a thing is whatever it is ?. Water is wet . Why ? There is no answer. It just is whatever it is .nobody has the faintest clue .am i wrong ?

No, we don't know why water is wet and we also don't know THAT water is actually wet and is not just appearing to be wet.

[Davino]

46 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How can one make plans to reach God Consciousness in 10 yrs when time and space doesn't really exist. I'm not saying we don't live in time and space; but something as God Consciousness, if there's even such a thing can only be accessed now. We can make plans for our future and living in the dream, but you're also saying accessing God Consciousness is also a dream if you're placing it in the future that doesn't exist.

And that's why you'll never reach God Consciousness. 

You are falling in the trap of burning your boat before crossing the river.

States do matter and only a subset of states of Consciousness allow for the realizations of Infinite Consciousness, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Love, Truth, Perfection, Divinity... To reach such states it takes insane intelligence because reality is like an Infinite strange loop Rubik's cube, you'll have to hack your way to it, of course just to end up exactly at the beginning, always already the case is one facet as you pointed out.

Ultimately, you are God so only you can give it to YourSelf.

Help Yourself!