Distinction between actuality and imagination/concepts

[Vynce]

38 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 that paint harmonizes with your mind and touches your interior. Its combination of shape and color transmiit an open, clean, clear, deep and precise spirit

..just because it does that to you, doesn't mean a 6 year old or a bad AI couldn't do that as well. And this puts people off. Most like to imagine skill behind art and work. But if thats not important to you, thats fine I guess.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Vynce said:

..just because it does that to you, doesn't mean a 6 year old or a bad AI couldn't do that as well. And this puts people off. Most like to imagine skill behind art and work. But if thats not important to you, thats fine I guess.

Well an AI could do any kind of paint. A 6 years old no, in that paint you perceive the order, the intention and inspiration 

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Making that painting takes crazy taste.

Art is more about taste than it is about skill.

Great taste is very rare. Which is why great art is very rare.

That painting is perfectly balanced.

No offense, but I find your taste in art - especially music - to be really poor. Honestly, it’s almost offensively bad to me.

So throwing around claims of "great taste" like that feels a bit flippant, if you ask me.

Edited Saturday at 10:48 PM by Nilsi

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Making that painting takes crazy taste.

Art is more about taste than it is about skill.

Great taste is very rare. Which is why great art is very rare.

That painting is perfectly balanced.

To me the painting you posted looks pretty ugly. Just high-contrast, garish, total lack of meaning. Lack of form, lack of aesthetic, tasteless failure!

I could see how it matches your contemplation style though, seeing different facets of things interconnected.

In this you can see the brunette devilish woman is more beautiful than the blonde bride though, because there's more contrast. But the balance is more meaningful because of the character traits in it. The beauty of the bride is only here criticism of marriage and society.

Also ohGr is very handsome even though he's covered in zombie makeup.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Vynce said:

If I showed you the technique for such art, you would be stunned how easy that is. Trust me.

With a little preparation you can do a canvas like this in 15 minutes.

Not only could a child not do it, you couldn't do it if you were paid a lot of money.

Edited Saturday at 11:06 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

No offense, but I find your taste in art - especially music - to be really poor. Honestly, it’s almost offensively bad to me.

So throwing around claims of "great taste" like that feels a bit flippant, if you ask me.

Art is about how deep it touch in you, saying that I have good taste is vane and egoic, it's just my taste, the important is the intensity and the high feeling, it could be very different depending the person

 

8 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

To me the painting you posted looks pretty ugly. Just high-contrast, garish, total lack of meaning. Lack of form, lack of aesthetic, tasteless failure!

Very different way to feel the same thing. Interesting. I listen Rammstein and for me it's like the orchestras or the heaven unleashed, and for another could be a real shit. Different buttons, different structure of the mind doesn't mean than one is right and another wrong

Edited Saturday at 11:04 PM by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

No offense, but I find your taste in art - especially music - to be really poor. Honestly, it’s almost offensively bad to me.

So throwing around claims of "great taste" like that feels a bit flippant, if you ask me.

You think you're saying something smart but you're not.

[The Crocodile]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Very different way to feel the same thing. Interesting. I listen Rammstein and for me it's like the orchestras or the heaven unleashed, and for another could be a real shit. Different buttons, different structure of the mind doesn't mean than one is right and another wrong

I understand the painting is compatible with your filters, but I have a problem with it.

And I don't agree art is subjective. Rammstein has an objective effect, depending on who listens to it, yes, but there's an overall effect or place it has if you look at each person who's ever listened to it (and effects) as a single light on an infinite string of Christmas lights. There's a consciousness value there that's had.

[Vynce]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not only could a child not do it, you couldn't do it if you were paid a lot of money.

I've done this so many times. 

I'm a hobby painter and professional graphic designer. 

So yeah, I stand by my claim. Give me 45 minutes and a normal 6 year old, and we be printin' canvases like this.

[The Crocodile]

The two types of music on the planet, at this time.

[Breakingthewall]

36 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Just high-contrast, garish, total lack of meaning

I understand now. You see the let's see, elegance, good taste or lack of it,  I am seeing the beauty of the colors and shapes, the meaning is that it is beautiful, the colors are direct and beautiful and their combination creates a clean, clear feeling. The combination of beauty with clarity is what makes me appreciate that painting, but for another person that combination could seems lack of elegance or surility

Edited Saturday at 11:33 PM by Breakingthewall

[Loveeee]

One of the most famous "fake artist" experiments is the case of Pierre Brassau, a chimpanzee whose paintings were exhibited and praised by art critics in 1964. This experiment became legendary for exposing biases in the art world. Here's the full story:

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The Pierre Brassau Experiment

1. Background
In 1964, Swedish journalist Åke "Dacke" Axelsson decided to test the art world’s credibility and perception. He devised an elaborate hoax by presenting paintings created by a chimpanzee as the work of an avant-garde French artist.

2. Execution

• Axelsson worked with Peter, a chimpanzee living in a Swedish zoo, who was given brushes and paint.
• The chimp produced several abstract paintings with bold strokes and a unique style, which Axelsson carefully selected and framed.
• Axelsson created the fictional identity of “Pierre Brassau,” describing him as a French artist with a bold, experimental style.

3. Exhibition

• The paintings were displayed at an art gallery in Gothenburg, Sweden.
• They were marketed as works of a revolutionary artist breaking new ground in abstract expressionism.

4. Critical Reception

• Many critics praised the paintings. For example:
  • One critic famously said, “Pierre Brassau paints with powerful strokes, but also with clear determination. His brushstrokes twist with a furious fastidiousness. Pierre is an artist who performs with the delicacy of a ballet dancer.”
• Only one critic doubted the work, describing it as “the kind of thing you’d expect from a monkey.”

5. Revelation

• When Axelsson revealed the truth—that Pierre Brassau was, in fact, a chimpanzee—the story caused a sensation. Critics and the public were embarrassed, but the experiment highlighted how much of art criticism is subjective and influenced by external narratives.

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Legacy and Impact

1. Challenges to the Art World:
   The experiment exposed how critics and collectors could be influenced by presentation, language, and preconceptions.

2. Pierre Brassau's Enduring Fame:
   Despite the revelation, one of Peter’s paintings was sold to a collector for a substantial sum at the time. Pierre Brassau became a symbol of how easily artistic value can be manipulated.

3. Ongoing Relevance:
   The Pierre Brassau story is still referenced in debates about modern art, abstraction, and the subjectivity of art appreciation.

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Conclusion

 

The Pierre Brassau experiment remains one of the most famous and effective "fake artist" experiments. It revealed how much of the art world relies on perception, context, and storytelling, rather than intrinsic artistic quality.

[The Crocodile]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I understand now. You see the let's see, elegance, good taste or lack of it,  I am seeing the beauty of the colors and shapes, the meaning is that it is beautiful, the colors are direct and beautiful and their combination creates a clean, clear feeling. The combination of beauty with clarity is what makes me appreciate that painting.

Nope, I mean the colors and shapes themselves are actually pretty ugly, and yet I can still see everything you see if I tune into it or the positivity of the colors as the colors and the shapes as the shapes. I just prefer my perspective, otherwise I would have to value other values like "openness" or "positivity" or "beingness" over beauty.

[Davino]

5 hours ago, Aaron p said:

 @Aaron p who is the artist? I would like to watch more of his/her art. Thanks

[Carl-Richard]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A picture of a pizza is as real as a pizza, but it is not a pizza. But people easily mistake the two.

*queue spiritually sanctioned absolute insanity rebuttal: "everything is the same as everything else"*

Edited Saturday at 11:49 PM by Carl-Richard

[Juns]

@Leo Gura

After all this thought, the pizza has gone cold, and all we are left with is the picture.

 

[Aaron p]

36 minutes ago, Davino said:

 @Aaron p who is the artist? I would like to watch more of his/her art. Thanks

@Davino no idea

[Juns]

12 hours ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Juns Because You are able to imagine different levels of "actuality".
With "You" i don't mean your little identity. But You as God. To the Ego these processes are so automatic they get overlooked. That's why poeple fall in the materialistic paradigm.

@_Archangel_
Interesting. I'll think about you wrote. Thanks. 

[Juns]

12 hours ago, Davino said:

This exercise may help you:

 

@Davino

I just read through it. thanks

[Juns]

12 hours ago, Davino said:

Then you're feeling into the actuality of thoughts and concepts

Which is a different level of perception altogether what people usually do with their thoughts is projection and mistaking the map for the territory. Well yes the map does exist in the same way the territory does exist, so both are Existing, but map as a model has certain limitations and it can be misrepresentative of actuality; while actuality is always self-evident and self-explanatory.

In the same way a baby interacts with a chair before it has the concept of a chair, she interacts with the actuality of it. As it grows up, higher development happens which means the ability to distinguish and categorize. However, this inmense gift has the trap of living in a world of shadows and losing contact with the actuality of experience, which is KING.

I'm still stuck in Plato's cave.