Questions for experienced 5-MeO users

[emil1234]

I recently had my first 5meo trip, and I'm planning on starting using 5meo regularly as a self development / realization tool. I do have a couple of questions tho.

1. How often do you guys trip? i know that with traditional psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms, its advicable to wait 1-2months in between trips. However DMT and 5meo dmt seem way more innocent to me, i might very well be deluding myself here, which is why i ask; but the short acting trips, seem way more harmless than a 12 hour LSD trip. whats ur guys say here, how often is it advicable to trip on 5meo, while still keeping it responsible and safe? Like what if i wanted to push it to maybe once a week, but on a lower threshold dosis? im asking because in my experience, 1 hour after ingesting both NN dmt and 5meo dmt, i feel like im completely back to normal. 

whats ur guys say here, how often is it advicable to trip, while still keeping it responsible and safe? Like what if i wanted to push it to maybe once a week, but on a lower threshold dosis?

2. Is it managable to solo trip, if you're vaporizing through a pibe? I know from personal experience, that when smoking NN-DMT, managing to get the third hit of the pibe is near impossible solo, cus ur tripping so hard at that point. However with 5meo, my facilitator told me that a single big hit will do the job. Hence, is it doable to solo vaporize from a pibe, even on large doses?

3. Whats your dose scalings? (speaking synthetic vaporized 5-meo here), im seeing a bit varying information on google. Some say anything above 15mg is an extremely high dose, others say you need to go above 30 mg

4. how many times in a row is it actually safe to smoke 5meo? When i did it, i did 2 trips in a row, but how far can this actually be pushed? and does the dosing have anything to say in this matter?

Edited January 3 by emil1234

[RightHand]

Very important point about dosages:

You have to find your dose by experimenting and using the +5mg per trip method.

For example, when I plug 5-MeO, I need about 50mg to get a full trip. Some people only need 25mg to achieve the same results, so it’s very body-specific.

 

For trip frequency:

You have to trust your body. If you feel like tripping the next day, go for it. If you don’t feel like tripping for weeks, your body will let you know.

 

I’ve never tried smoking 5-MeO, but I’d recommend trying plugging. It’s very easy to control your dose and great for solo tripping. You can follow Leo’s guide on the day you decide to give it a try, it's perfect:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-to-plug-psychedelics

Edited January 3 by RightHand

[Tristan12]

I currently use 5-Meo-DMT or DMT around 3 times a week, but I only use small doses and I’m not going to be doing this long term. I’m only doing this right now for emotional healing purposes.

I can imagine that if my doses were higher and my trips were deeper, I would get pretty ungrounded tripping multiple times per week. I think tripping once a week is fine, but as the guy above said, listen to your body and do what feels right for you

[RendHeaven]

On 1/3/2025 at 10:46 PM, emil1234 said:

1. How often do you guys trip? i know that with traditional psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms, its advicable to wait 1-2months in between trips. However DMT and 5meo dmt seem way more innocent to me, i might very well be deluding myself here, which is why i ask; but the short acting trips, seem way more harmless than a 12 hour LSD trip. whats ur guys say here, how often is it advicable to trip on 5meo, while still keeping it responsible and safe? Like what if i wanted to push it to maybe once a week, but on a lower threshold dosis? im asking because in my experience, 1 hour after ingesting both NN dmt and 5meo dmt, i feel like im completely back to normal. 

whats ur guys say here, how often is it advicable to trip, while still keeping it responsible and safe? Like what if i wanted to push it to maybe once a week, but on a lower threshold dosis?

2. Is it managable to solo trip, if you're vaporizing through a pibe? I know from personal experience, that when smoking NN-DMT, managing to get the third hit of the pibe is near impossible solo, cus ur tripping so hard at that point. However with 5meo, my facilitator told me that a single big hit will do the job. Hence, is it doable to solo vaporize from a pibe, even on large doses?

3. Whats your dose scalings? (speaking synthetic vaporized 5-meo here), im seeing a bit varying information on google. Some say anything above 15mg is an extremely high dose, others say you need to go above 30 mg

4. how many times in a row is it actually safe to smoke 5meo? When i did it, i did 2 trips in a row, but how far can this actually be pushed? and does the dosing have anything to say in this matter?

1. For serious excursions of 5-MeO (medium-high dose, expectations of lasting change), once a week is the maximum responsible frequency IMO. Any more than that and you will hurt yourself. Once every other week is more ideal.

2. Always do psychedelics solo. Learn to plug.

3. I only plug. <10mg = low, ~15mg = medium, 25+mg = high

4. IDK. This shouldn't even be a question, because if you're doing this right, 1 dose will blow you away and it won't occur to you to go back. You know you're doing it right when a week or two goes by, and you think to yourself "Damn, I should do more 5-MeO according to my plan, but I don't wanna..."

 

[emil1234]

1 hour ago, RendHeaven said:

1. For serious excursions of 5-MeO (medium-high dose, expectations of lasting change), once a week is the maximum responsible frequency IMO. Any more than that and you will hurt yourself. Once every other week is more ideal.

2. Always do psychedelics solo. Learn to plug.

3. I only plug. <10mg = low, ~15mg = medium, 25+mg = high

4. IDK. This shouldn't even be a question, because if you're doing this right, 1 dose will blow you away and it won't occur to you to go back. You know you're doing it right when a week or two goes by, and you think to yourself "Damn, I should do more 5-MeO according to my plan, but I don't wanna..."

 

ty for the response. the thing is, i wanna play around with low doses at first to kinda get a feeling of my own sensitivity. so going with very low doses, say 3-5mg, im kinda uncertain how frequent my trips should be, since low doses FEEL quite innocent

Edited January 5 by emil1234

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, emil1234 said:

ty for the response. the thing is, i wanna play around with low doses at first to kinda get a feeling of my own sensitivity. so going with very low doses, say 3-5mg, do i still need 1-2 weeks in between?

No. The one week guideline is active past a mediumish dose.

A medium dose is already enough for a "breakthrough"

You will know you hit a "breakthrough" when you come down with a feeling of "life will never be the same"

[emil1234]

@RendHeaven all right man, thanks a lot! nice clarification 

[OBEler]

@emil1234 I can trip multiple days in a row on lower doses without any problems. Just do like you feel there is no rule there.

Medium to high dose is another thing. You want to do it less often. Nevertheless I also would say no rules. Go with the flow.

Edited January 5 by OBEler

[emil1234]

@OBEler okay nice, thats my initial intuition as well. do you vaporize?

i'm curois if it isnt difficult to vaporize small doses, such as 2-3mg. like do u even get any smoke from that

Edited January 5 by emil1234

[OBEler]

@emil1234 I use a vape pen with e liquid. You just grap it and vape. 1:4 is good. Look for thread here there it's explained how to build this 

[Breakingthewall]

My conclusion after many trips is that the utility of 5meo is the energetic liberation, the breaking of the energetic barriers that form what they call the karmic structure. With 5meo you can do decades of spiritual work in months, but you have to be skeptical (in my opinion totally skeptical) about "realizations". There is only one real and absolute realization, the infinite being, the absence of limits. This is not a realization because it lacks content, it is the total liberation of conscious substance, total expansion.

Everything that is below this, whether it is you creating reality, seeing that everything is "good", that the universe is cyclical, whatever, is a mental creation of the ego in a "5meo drugged" state. If in your normal state things do not seem that way, believing that reality is like when you are drugged with 5meo and not like now sober is a mistake and the path to entering a messianic mental loop. The only perception is what happens now, the only use of 5meo is the breaking of the "karmic" barriers so that perception can now be open, unlimited. Anything remembered is false, since reality is not conceptual, concepts occur in reality. So be careful not to enter this mental mode.

[RightHand]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

My conclusion after many trips is that the utility of 5meo is the energetic liberation, the breaking of the energetic barriers that form what they call the karmic structure. With 5meo you can do decades of spiritual work in months, but you have to be skeptical (in my opinion totally skeptical) about "realizations". There is only one real and absolute realization, the infinite being, the absence of limits. This is not a realization because it lacks content, it is the total liberation of conscious substance, total expansion.

Everything that is below this, whether it is you creating reality, seeing that everything is "good", that the universe is cyclical, whatever, is a mental creation of the ego in a "5meo drugged" state. If in your normal state things do not seem that way, believing that reality is like when you are drugged with 5meo and not like now sober is a mistake and the path to entering a messianic mental loop. The only perception is what happens now, the only use of 5meo is the breaking of the "karmic" barriers so that perception can now be open, unlimited. Anything remembered is false, since reality is not conceptual, concepts occur in reality. So be careful not to enter this mental mode.

If you were an ant and got transferred into a human body for 20 minutes before returning to your ant form, would you dismiss everything you experienced in the "human state" as false simply because it doesn't align with the reality of an ant?

Edited Monday at 06:43 AM by RightHand

[RendHeaven]

@Breakingthewall @RightHand Wow. Excellent inquiry from both of you.

I don't find these perspectives to be mutually exclusive. I think you both have a strong point.

[RightHand]

2 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

@Breakingthewall @RightHand Wow. Excellent inquiry from both of you.

I don't find these perspectives to be mutually exclusive. I think you both have a strong point.

I think Leo's model of consciousness as a knob you can spin is perhaps more accurate than just distinguishing between relative and absolute. (I'm out of my depth here, I'm just speculating)

 

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, RightHand said:

If you were an ant and got transferred into a human body for 20 minutes before returning to your ant form, would you dismiss everything you experienced in the "human state" as false simply because it doesn't align with the reality of an ant?

The ant structure is different from the human structure, but both are structures. Total reality is structureless, so structuring it is just an idea within the structure of reality that you are taking now. Any structure is relative, so human and ant are in the same category: relative. The other category is absolute, and can't be remembered or thought because any remember is relative 

[Javfly33]

22 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

believing that reality is like when you are drugged with 5meo and not like now sober is a mistake and the path to entering a messianic mental loop. The only perception is what happens now, the only use of 5meo is the breaking of the "karmic" barriers so that perception can now be open, unlimited. Anything remembered is false, since reality is not conceptual, concepts occur in reality. So be careful not to enter this mental mode.

I wish I knew this information before sending messages to everyone in my phone contact list in a messianic mental loop 🤣

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The ant structure is different from the human structure, but both are structures. Total reality is structureless, so structuring it is just an idea within the structure of reality that you are taking now. Any structure is relative, so human and ant are in the same category: relative. The other category is absolute, and can't be remembered or thought because any remember is relative 

@RightHand So basically 5meo is another experience, not enlightment, but it has lots of fireworks and explosions and that can break some things for some time which can be useful to clear the road ahead.

[RightHand]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

I wish I knew this information before sending messages to everyone in my phone contact list in a messianic mental loop 🤣

@RightHand

Lol. Rookie mistake 

 

[Thought Art]

@emil1234 Vape pens are very safe and convenient.

Be careful with tripping to regularly especially in the beginning as it can lead to user error, and even instability that can negatively effect other areas of your life.  

It's important to do a holistic approach to this work with the frame work of Integral Meta Theory imo for mature integration of the higher state.

It is an enlightenment experience and a highly consistent tool for the experience. 

Edited Thursday at 07:15 PM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

Guys, do be careful with this substance! Especially if you are a newbie. It can lead to a lot of weirdness.

I took me awhile to integrate the experience maturely. Since then, and I know what it is I can do it more often (which is still rare).

Anyway, when you break through to a full realization remember I said hello and thank you.

[The Crocodile]

On 1/12/2025 at 10:31 AM, Breakingthewall said:

The only perception is what happens now, the only use of 5meo is the breaking of the "karmic" barriers so that perception can now be open, unlimited. 

That's just nuking yourself and being left with nothing. Don't do that.