Which stage of Spiral Dynamics do you currently identify with the most?

[Sincerity]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You underestimate yourself 😉

I'll never get over how people overestimate their spiral stages. Yellow seems to be the stage which intellectual people are most comfortable with identifying themselves with. I have slightly-deeper-than-surface-level analysis of some topics so I must be yellow. I know SD theory, I'm such a spiral wizard you guys.

And usage of the word 'coral' on the forum should result in an automatic ban. 

Edited Sunday at 12:01 AM by Sincerity

[Davino]

6 hours ago, Kairos said:

How would you integrate stage RED's individualism and GREEN's collectivism at the same time .

In the same way I did in the story I told you

The stage Green in me took care of the beautiful little insect

The stage Red in me wanted to serve itself a delicious meal

The balance is in the tension between the individual and the collective. Ken Wilber and Friederich Schleiermacher talk a lot about this topic, in case you wanna get into more detail. The question you ask has more to do about this tension than with developmental stages (it is true that each stage swings predominantly from individual to collective and viceversa: red individual, blue collective, orange individual, green collective...)

I have a practical example for you to contemplate: Let's say you are in a romantic relationship, how do you keep being yourself (autonomy) while also connecting with your beloved (communion)? In this question lies the answer to your doubt. Leo talks about such interplay in his video: Division vs Unity - The Engine That Runs Reality

6 hours ago, Kairos said:

The decision you took of not killing the insect but eating the meat for lunch seems to be based on your FEELINGS not some Big picture framework that a stage YELLOW or TURQUOISE person would embody .

Why are frameworks above feelings? Why are feelings above frameworks?

I use frameworks but I'm not caged by them. I let all feelings to be felt while striving to mantain unbiased discernment. Models are nothing but useful maps, they are pragmatic and correlate with my experience, hence I use them. Overall, I respect my Conscious Sovereignity and from that steam all my decisions.

[Davino]

56 minutes ago, RightHand said:

Green feels like one step before the singularity. 

Green is very deep. Quick test to know if you have gone through green:

Do you Recycle?

Are you vegetarian/vegan or have you been?

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I'll never get over how people overestimate their spiral stages.

This is not about SD (or intended to be), but it's possible to come to a place where nothing (in terms of human behavior) really surprises you or puzzles you. Just felt like sharing that.

Edited Sunday at 12:11 AM by Carl-Richard

[RightHand]

11 minutes ago, Davino said:

Green is very deep. Quick test to know if you have gone through green:

Do you Recycle?

Are you vegetarian/vegan or have you been?

No and no. 

I don't recycle because I'm ignorant about recycling.

I don't eat vegetarian/vegan not because I transcended it but because I haven't even seriously considered the possibility.

Thank you very much for the pointers!

[Unlimited]

10 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

You should have put stage red and purple there! I honestly believe that I am a strange combo of 50% green 40% red and 10%purple!

This poll is just about voting the one you are in the most.

And maybe you should look into SD again because for me it sounds more like you are in blue than purple.

[Unlimited]

I was stuck in stage orange for a few years but recently I've noticed some bigger changes within myself.
I tried to figure out what it was and then I realized that I finally reached tier 2.
There is still green and some orange in me but I see myself the most in yellow now.

[RendHeaven]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Are you vegetarian/vegan or have you been?

Good one.

You should be able to passionately steelman and argue on behalf of all so-called "SJW" narratives, even if you don't agree with them.

Ideally have actual past experience merging your identity with these narratives (even if it didn't last).

Veganism, feminism, LGBTQ+, socialism, critical race theory, environmental advocate, etc.

4 hours ago, Sincerity said:

I'll never get over how people overestimate their spiral stages. Yellow seems to be the stage which intellectual people are most comfortable with identifying themselves with. I have slightly-deeper-than-surface-level analysis of some topics so I must be yellow. I know SD theory, I'm such a spiral wizard you guys.

And usage of the word 'coral' on the forum should result in an automatic ban. 

Good points.

I had a similar trajectory myself. I felt as though I hit "yellow" as early as 18 years old graduating high school (after 2 years of guzzling Leo content and unhooking from most ideologies), but I had a (predictably) glaring stage Green blindspot.

I think Orange to Yellow pipline is a tempting path, and not necessarily a bad path - you just have to be honest with yourself and backtrack deep into Green if you care about actually being holistic.

I went through a fierce identification with green between age 20-22 which I organically outgrew at age 23.

[lostingenosmaze]

All the people who identify themselves as Stage Beige, please go back to your cribs. Your parents must be worried sick about you ☹️

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

Do you Recycle?

Are you vegetarian/vegan or have you been?

There are many other alternative ways to go through green even though I am biased towards Veganism too because I have been there.

[Davino]

15 hours ago, RightHand said:

I don't recycle because I'm ignorant about recycling.

I don't eat vegetarian/vegan not because I transcended it but because I haven't even seriously considered the possibility.

It's about expanding your sense of concern and care. Recycling is quite easy actually, you can learn in a few hours all that there is to it. Regarding a change in diet, well that requires a lot of work. Then why to do it?

Well in peak green one really cares for the ecosystem, nature and moral high grounds. When you connect the dots, you realize that as an individual the activity that most fucks up the planet is eating meat (this is a fact) and when you discover how animals are treated and slaughtered then your morality doesn't allow it either. Some interesting facts that any stage green individual has seriously contemplated:

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1. Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Meat-based diet: Eating a single quarter-pound beef burger produces the same greenhouse gas emissions as driving a typical car for ~10 miles.

Vegan diet: Choosing a plant-based burger instead reduces that impact to the equivalent of driving just ~0.5 miles.

2. Water Use

Meat-based diet: Producing a single steak (200 grams) requires around 3,000 liters of water—enough to fill a small swimming pool.

Vegan diet: Producing the same amount of lentils requires only 600 liters, or just enough to fill a bathtub.

3. Land Use

Meat-based diet: If everyone adopted a meat-heavy diet, we would need the equivalent of 3 planets to produce enough food sustainably.

Vegan diet: Would free up land roughly the size of Australia, China, the EU, and the US combined if adopted globally, allowing for reforestation and increased biodiversity.

4. Food Calories Efficiency

Meat-based diet: Feeding 100 calories of grain to animals yields only 3-12 calories of meat or dairy. This is tremendously inefficiency.

Vegan diet: Those same 100 calories of grain, consumed directly, could feed up to 10 times more people, drastically reducing world hunger.

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Edited Sunday at 04:09 PM by Davino

[Schizophonia]

Clearly Turquoise if we put aside ego backslash.

[Realms of Wonder]

I don't Know.

[Jacob Morres]

I'm probably 35-45% orange and green each. And the rest yellow