Which stage of Spiral Dynamics do you currently identify with the most?

[caspex]

17 minutes ago, Davino said:

An interesting phenomon that I've noticed is that the more I evolve as a human the more profound I integrate lower stages. Let me see how I explain this because it's really tricky.

For example, while being in Tier 2 you may have breakthroughs in orange and green, even blue, which are so deep that your life is profoundly transformed. Right now I'm going through a whole recontextualization of Yellow that is honestly changing me inside out, like all levels get worked through iterations the more you advance. Let's say you are in Yellow for some years and then you're maturing yourself, you will find out that all Tier 1 gets worked through again. So to move beyond, you further integrate and embody past levels.

A professor explained me that many university graduates went back to the first lessons to consolidate the nuances of core concepts and build a better foundation. They were surprised to discover how much they learnt which was initially overlooked; as the "structure" was good enough to keep building up. But at some point if you want to keep constructing, then you gotta reiterate all the previous levels and "fill in the holes" making a more compact and holistic foundation that supports your skyscraper developmental stage.

You can see it in physical buildings too, at some point you'll need to have a stronger foundation if you want to build higher.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

None. The model looks too pretentious and simplistic to me. I am not higher nor lower in development than anyone on this Planet, nor am I better or worse of a human because of it. We just have different genetics and upbringing, that's all

Edited Saturday at 03:54 PM by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Kairos]

@Davino If Turquoise or future stages embody the synthesis of all previous stages, do they also embody their contradictions?

For instance Red and green clash with each other so how do u hold this contradiction .

[Nivsch]

@Davino If you have five friends and one day you change the way you see one of them, the rest four will also rearrange in your mind and you will see them differently as well.

Lastly I started to think about orange in a more forgiving way and see the good and heart behind its technical thinking what doesnt mean i agree to the general thinking. Still get triggered in familiy dinners with issues especially in the western medicine field because one of them learn medicine and arrise issues I familiar with their controversy from personal experience.

Edited Saturday at 04:02 PM by Nivsch

[Carl-Richard]

On 3.1.2025 at 8:26 AM, M A J I said:

Neither stages nor dynamics, illusory limitations and unnecessary compartmentalization.

Green^

[Davino]

@Carl-Richard I was writing that!🤣

[Davino]

36 minutes ago, Kairos said:

@Davino If Turquoise or future stages embody the synthesis of all previous stages, do they also embody their contradictions?

For instance Red and green clash with each other so how do u hold this contradiction .

Life is a contradiction

The other day I spent half an hour grabbing a little insect and leaving it outside of my house, I don't want him to be inside because they reproduce a lot but neither to murder it needlessly. However, then I eat a good meat for lunch.

It's understanding the nature of each thing, being comfortable with chaos and loving everything for what it is.

 

If you want me to be more specific please reformulate your question regarding the clash of red and green. It's a fault of mine to be very high level so if you feel like your doubt wasn't addressed, express it so and interrogate me further.

[Raphael]

I'm surprise to see how much Yellow there is.

[Daniel Balan]

You should have put stage red and purple there! I honestly believe that I am a strange combo of 50% green 40% red and 10%purple! To me God is Gaia! The mother nature, the wind and the trees and the seasons and the night-sky! To me nature is God! When I behold the night sky full of stars or the vast fields of corn and wheat in my village I see God! That's why I say I'm purple! What I don't see as God is myself and other humans! To me when I see humans I see the devil! When I look in the mirror I see The Devil looking at itself! My thoughts are evil and I am evil! That's why I am red. But my biggest part of personality is being a Hardcore SJW I try my very best to bring justice in the world and be a just person as much as I can. That's why I say i'm green also because I love the earth and the seasons so much! I love this planet to death , the only thing I hate are the devils that populate it, myself included!

Edited Saturday at 04:58 PM by Daniel Balan

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Green^

Lol

[Kairos]

@Davino @Davino How would you integrate stage RED's individualism and GREEN's collectivism at the same time .

The decision you took of not killing the insect but eating the meat for lunch seems to be based on your FEELINGS not some Big picture framework that a stage YELLOW or TURQUOISE person would embody .

Edited Saturday at 07:21 PM by Kairos

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Green^

Realizing the limits of SD is an important part of Tier 2.

SD can be criticized from below or from above.

Edited Saturday at 05:09 PM by Leo Gura

[Abe27]

I feel like it's difficult to evalutate fully, since i in the analytical thinking sense seems to be turquise. Whlie in a interpersonal or emotional setting quickly fall to a lower stage, which one is hard to decode. I don't really want to call myself turquise, since it's such a late stage for a young person to call themself, so i vote yellow. 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Green^

A model^

 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Realizing the limits of SD is an important part of Tier 2.

SD can be criticized from below or from above.

Beige^ 

The "unnecessary" part seems quite Green. "It's unnecessary to think bro, just vibe bro".

But it was said mostly jokingly. I generally find analyzing another forum member's SD stage revolting.

Edited Saturday at 07:38 PM by Carl-Richard

[RightHand]

Here's MY problem with Green : 

Green is not greening enough, it doesnt recognize that green is just one greenness in the greens

Edited Saturday at 07:37 PM by RightHand

[Sincerity]

5 hours ago, Raphael said:

I'm surprise to see how much Yellow there is.

People overestimate themselves.

[Carl-Richard]

36 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

People overestimate themselves.

You underestimate yourself 😉

[TheAlchemist]

My observation is that any discussion about SD must always involve some reference to the problems of stage green 

Before I though I was becoming yellow. Now I think I am devolving fast towards some pre-human state. My plans for a future as a spiral wizard are doomed! 😁

To beige and beyond!

Edited Saturday at 11:15 PM by TheAlchemist

[RightHand]

4 minutes ago, TheAlchemist said:

My observation is that any discussion about SD must always involve some reference to the problems of stage green 

Green feels like one step before the singularity.