Any predictions about Iran 2025

[AsghareBaghal]

Greetings everyone this is my first Topic.

I left Iran about 2 years ago it was like a link from my body got cut off since then, i had a dramatic shift of world view changes of my values and etc. the reason im asking this is because of the deep sense of survivals guilt i have for my people and culture and im under the impression a lot is going to happen very soon.

What are your thoughts on how Iran's sociopolitical and spiritual landscape might evolve in the coming year? Considering the interplay between spiritual growth, collective consciousness, and politics, do you foresee any significant changes in the country’s direction or societal mindset? How might cultural shifts, developmental psychology, or global influences shape the trajectory of Iran in 2025? Please share your insights or perspectives through the lens of spirituality, or conscious politics.

[Raze]

General Wesley Clark said that the US planned to take out six countries, and the only country left is Iran. There are Us Politicians who have been pushing for war with Iran. In addition Israel was trying to draw the Us into a war with Iran.

I think if a war with Iran happens the US would be bogged down harder than ever before it could be the breaking point for the establishment as the US Is still reeling from the failed war on terror and it could cause some sort of internal revolution. The US simply can’t sustain another drawn out war especially with Iran. They probably realize this and may have some other tactic to try instead but it would just escalate until it’s required.

However in the short run although in the past Trump was aggressive towards Iran he seems averse to going to war. 

They have probably been trying to start a civil war inside Iran but so far it doesn’t seem like it’ll happen. The military is still firmly backing the government and the populace doesn’t dislike the Iranian government as much as the Syrians disliked the Assad government. Sanctions have definitely crushed irans economy and created internal strife, and increased pressure from the Israel lobby could lead to the US installing even more sanctions, but that probably won’t be enough to start a civil war still.

Russia has become more dependent on Iran and if the Ukraine war ends soon with a deal to reduce Russian sanctions, Iran could benefit if they fit into the economic growth, alternatively the deal could have aspects that require Russia to distance itself from Iran which would hurt them. 

China also seems to be connecting to Iran, though they don’t trade as much the Chinese government has been allowing criticism of Israel so it seems like they may be pivoting away from Israel while trying to increase influence in the Middle East which could mean greater ties to Iran. 

If China and Russia increase ties to Iran this could avert a US or Israeli war with Iran as it would make it much more costly.

At the same time China and Russia could switch tactics and try to get Iran into a war with the USA to bog the US down there so they have time to increase influence in their spheres of influence where the USA has become more aggressive.

In addition Israel may be more likely to push for a war as forces in its government have always been convinced they can ignore the Palestinian issue in favor of attacking outside groups that try to exploit them, and Israel was becoming internally polarized prior to oct 7 so when the current conflict ends they may want something to distract their populace with. Alternatively the internal polarization could reach a breaking point  into an all out civil war in which case they probably would avoid aggression against Iran as they’d have their hands full.

At the same time Iran had been pushing for a strategy of funding rebel groups around the region to try and create defensive tentacles around itself and keep the other countries in perpetual states of low grade warfare. However the groups they supported such as hamas, hezbollah, and the Houthi’s have been severely degraded. So they’ll either try to rebuild them slowly over time or they’ll just go ahead and make a nuclear weapon.

In the past Iran has pushed for turning the Middle East into a nuclear weapon free zone like Africa and Latin America but the USA blocks it because the Israel lobby doesn’t want Israel’s nukes to be inspected. Iran hasn’t made nukes and instead was trying to use their ability to as a bargaining chip and previously agreed to a nuclear deal to remove their capacity in exchange for reduced sanctions, but the USA pulled out after pressure from Israel. Iran has hinted at being willing to make another such deal, however if they feel insecure and feel the increase sanctions from it are manageable with better ties to Russia and China they may go ahead and make nukes, so far north koreas nukes seem to have stopped the US from destroying it like they did various other states like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

Iran trying to make nukes could be used as an excuse to rush the US and Israel into war with them like in Iraq. Though that depends how quickly they’d make them.

If Iran makes nukes the other Arab states will be spooked and make their own nukes to counter it. The Middle East is a volatile region due to inability to function with the western state model as well as climate change. So having nukes may make all states more cautious and temporarily reduce aggression. However over time similar to how reports show the US government no longer fears russias nukes, they will probably have civil wars and all out wars in the Middle East which when happening between nuclear states would lead to them using nukes on each other. In addition over time the messianic Jews in Israel will become the majority ans they believe that Israel expanding and engaging in an apocalyptic war is part of what will bring back the messiah, so they will increase aggression possibly towards Iran or other enemy states that developed over this time. They will lose support from the US and probably rely more on nuclear threats and eventually the Samson option.

Edited Thursday at 06:43 AM by Raze

[PurpleTree]

I think it heavily depends on what happens with Russia and China.

[zazen]

14 hours ago, Raze said:

In the past Iran has pushed for turning the Middle East into a nuclear weapon free zone like Africa and Latin America but the USA blocks it because the Israel lobby doesn’t want Israel’s nukes to be inspected. Iran hasn’t made nukes and instead was trying to use their ability to as a bargaining chip and previously agreed to a nuclear deal to remove their capacity in exchange for reduced sanctions, but the USA pulled out after pressure from Israel. Iran has hinted at being willing to make another such deal, however if they feel insecure and feel the increase sanctions from it are manageable with better ties to Russia and China they may go ahead and make nukes, so far north koreas nukes seem to have stopped the US from destroying it like they did various other states like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

Iran trying to make nukes could be used as an excuse to rush the US and Israel into war with them like in Iraq. Though that depends how quickly they’d make them.

In connection to this and just in :

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/02/iran-nuclear-weapon-biden-white-house

''White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan presented President Biden with options for a potential U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear facilities if the Iranians move towards a nuclear weapon before Jan. 20, in a meeting several weeks ago that remained secret until now, three sources with knowledge of the issue tell Axios.

Why it matters: A U.S. strike on Iran's nuclear program during the lame duck period would be an enormous gamble from a president who promised he would not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, but who would also risk handing a fresh conflict over to his successor. Biden did not green light a strike during the meeting and has not done so since, the sources said.''

The thing with Trump is that though he may say things and take stands (notably being anti-war), he can flip flop and is also surrounded by many war mongers who are thirsting to go after Iran. Very hard to predict how things can go these days, so many different moving parts, and which are constantly moving.

Edited Thursday at 09:26 PM by zazen

[The Crocodile]