Let’s get past the confusion about Islam and settle it

[Husseinisdoingfine]

On January 1st, 2025, a man drove a Ford pickup truck into a crowd of people, killing 15 and injuring 30.

An ISIS (Islamic State) flag as was found in his truck, as well as several IEDs (improvised explosive device).

This is a very peculiar thing to note, as Leo has a video about Islam, as well as Islamic books in his book list.

If this is the case, then how are there some people who use Islamic teachings to justify ramming a pickup truck into a crowd of people. What does this say about Islam? Why are these attacks exclusively coming from Muslims and not Buddhists or Hindus?

Why is there such a contrast between what ISIS believes and Leo’s video above, and why do so many people subscribe to ISIS’s interpretation of Islam?

Does this have anything to do with the life of the Prophet Muhammad, and his various military campaigns? Why did Muhammad engage is such military campaigns, conquest, and warfare?

Was the Prophet Muhammad even an awakened being?
 

If so, then why doesn’t he talk in a fluffy way like Ekhart Tolle? If Islam turned out this way because of the harsh physical environment and culture of sixth century Arabia, then why did so many men from Western Europe go to join ISIS? Why is it that other teachings that were created around his time, or even earlier, such as Hinduism, Tantra, Zen, Vendetta, etc… appear to be so much more peaceful and don’t inspire military conquest and terror.

Edited January 2 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Someone here]

@Husseinisdoingfine 

I have found no spiritual tradition better than Advaita Vedanta and Sufisim.

Islam has esoteric and exoteric dimensions which I encourage you to study  before you judge.  

I don't call myself a muslim .but I just find it the most " sensible " religion out there .

Muhammad was woke af. If he is supposed to channel this Qur’anic chapter its clear he understands the nature of existence.

There are some verses in the quran which literally says to kill the unbelievers. That's why there is Islamic terrorism .did Muhammad himself wrote them ? I highly doubt it .

 

[aurum]

All religions reflect the survival demands and development of their followers.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

All religions reflect the survival demands and development of their followers.

What does this mean ? Give an example. 

[James123]

4 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

On January 1st, 2025, a man drove a Ford pickup truck into a crowd of people, killing 15 and injuring 30.

An ISIS (Islamic State) flag as was found in his truck, as well as several IEDs (improvised explosive device).

This is a very peculiar thing to note, as Leo has a video about Islam, as well as Islamic books in his book list.

If this is the case, then how are there some people who use Islamic teachings to justify ramming a pickup truck into a crowd of people. What does this say about Islam? Why are these attacks exclusively coming from Muslims and not Buddhists or Hindus?

Why is there such a contrast between what ISIS believes and Leo’s video above, and why do so many people subscribe to ISIS’s interpretation of Islam? Does this have anything to do with the life of the Prophet Muhammad, and his various military campaigns?

Was the Prophet Muhammad even an awakened being?
 

If so, then why doesn’t he talk in a fluffy way like Ekhart Tolle? Why is it that other teachings that were created around his time, or even earlier, such as Hinduism, Tantra, Zen, Vendetta, etc… appear to be so much more peaceful and don’t inspire military conquest and terror.

Real İslam is sufism.

[aurum]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What does this mean ? Give an example. 

Why does God tell everyone homosexuality is an abomination in the Bible?

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

Why does God tell everyone homosexuality is an abomination in the Bible?

All religions consist of theology plus morality..  Or laws.  The purpose of a religion (any religion ) is not just to give you some fluffy mantras and chantings/prayers to god /the divine but also to offer a moral code . If all of society becomes homosexual the human species will go extinct.  That doesn't say anything about the morality of the act I understand. But I guess it was appropriate for that era .and that is your point right ?

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

If all of society becomes homosexual the human species will go extinct.  That doesn't say anything about the morality of the act I understand.

They are the same.

Human species going extinct is why it is considered immoral.

There is no morality separate from collective survival.

Moral code = human survival.

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

But I guess it was appropriate for that era .and that is your point right ?

I'm saying it reflects the survival demands of the people, appropriate or not.

[Buck Edwards]

Islam is the religion of peace and tranquility. 

Read this book. It's by Abdul RAHMAN Al - Saha 

Edited January 2 by Buck Edwards

[Davino]

To understand every religion. Go to the highest exponents of it, not the lowest. 

Go to Ibn Arabi, Rumi and the like. Watch all this playlist if you desire to dispell your misunderstandings regarding Islam

 

[Breakingthewall]

In Quran yihad in one of the most important points, so why it's strange that the Muslims do yihad?

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall The lesser yihad or the greater yihad, what are you talking about?

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Breakingthewall The lesser yihad or the greater yihad, what are you talking about?

The Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) wrote: "In the Muslim community, jihad is a religious duty, due to the universality of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation) to convert everyone to Islam either by persuasion or by force.

[WelcometoReality]

10 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

If this is the case, then how are there some people who use Islamic teachings to justify ramming a pickup truck into a crowd of people. What does this say about Islam?

It doesn't say anything about Islam but it does say alot about ISIS and how far they have developed.

10 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Was the Prophet Muhammad even an awakened being?
 

If so, then why doesn’t he talk in a fluffy way like Ekhart Tolle? Why is it that other teachings that were created around his time, or even earlier, such as Hinduism, Tantra, Zen, Vendetta, etc… appear to be so much more peaceful and don’t inspire military conquest and terror.

Because they talk to completely different crowds. Have you watched the spiral dynamics series by Leo? 

Imagine talking to a red/blue crowd vs a green-yellow crowd. How would you adapt your teachings accordingly?

You can see acts of terrorism in all religions. The acts are not reflection of the religion but the ones committing the act.

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) wrote: "In the Muslim community, jihad is a religious duty, due to the universality of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation) to convert everyone to Islam either by persuasion or by force.

Real jihad is not out, it is within. İmam Gazali 

[Breakingthewall]

Types of Jihad: 1. Jihad of the heart: Spiritual combat. 2. Jihad of the tongue: It consists of giving a fair opinion or legislating. 3. Jihad of the hand: It consists of putting into practice corrective or punitive measures to prevent believers from committing punishable acts. 4. Jihad of money: This is the act of contributing financially to the needs of the Ummah. 5. Jihad of preaching: It involves any peaceful action aimed at spreading Islam outside its borders or strengthening it internally. 6. Jihad of the sword: It means carrying out an armed action aimed at protecting the lands of Islam and the very survival of Islam[20].

[Javfly33]

58 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Types of Jihad: 1. Jihad of the heart: Spiritual combat. 2. Jihad of the tongue: It consists of giving a fair opinion or legislating. 3. Jihad of the hand: It consists of putting into practice corrective or punitive measures to prevent believers from committing punishable acts. 4. Jihad of money: This is the act of contributing financially to the needs of the Ummah. 5. Jihad of preaching: It involves any peaceful action aimed at spreading Islam outside its borders or strengthening it internally. 6. Jihad of the sword: It means carrying out an armed action aimed at protecting the lands of Islam and the very survival of Islam[20].

7 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Islam is the religion of peace and tranquility. 

Read this book. It's by Abdul RAHMAN Al - Saha 

But is a religion of peace they say @Breakingthewall 😂😂

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Types of Jihad: 1. Jihad of the heart: Spiritual combat. 2. Jihad of the tongue: It consists of giving a fair opinion or legislating. 3. Jihad of the hand: It consists of putting into practice corrective or punitive measures to prevent believers from committing punishable acts. 4. Jihad of money: This is the act of contributing financially to the needs of the Ummah. 5. Jihad of preaching: It involves any peaceful action aimed at spreading Islam outside its borders or strengthening it internally. 6. Jihad of the sword: It means carrying out an armed action aimed at protecting the lands of Islam and the very survival of Islam[20].

You have good knowledge brother. My background is Muslim/sufi. İ have never heard these before. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Someone here I'm currently on chapter seven of the Quran, and I don't see any references to mysticism, or God being "one", or anything.

Its all these archaic rulings for combat, like... 

 

 

 

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors."

"Those who believe fight in the way of Allah and those who disbelieve fight in the way of devil. So fight against the friends of Satan; verily weak indeed is the strategy of the devil."

“ O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.“

 

Also, the verses above is addressed to the ‘believers’, yet Leo and other Gurus, spiritual masters, of the eastern traditions take harsh stances against belief and say that one must verify the teachings. Doesn’t this make Islam stand in contrast to our work here?

Edited January 2 by Husseinisdoingfine

[ExplorerMystic]

@Husseinisdoingfine Islam in its current state is in hold of fanatics. If any changes need to happen should come from within Muslim's .

During my travel's have met a person from Saudi who lives in states now . He told me about how Sufi's (which included his great great grandfather) have to run from Saudi in 18th Century during seize of power by Wahhabi's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Everything on media is so much negative that it is very rare that people even go deep in to studying Islam.

Some Sufi's have written that prophet of Islam have told/predicted : There will be a time when 70 to 80 sect will be there within Islam with its different flavor of teaching (don't know what the exact number is). And at one moment in future to be a follower of Islam will be like holding a red hot iron ball in your hand. In today's scenario that will be the hate Islam is getting.

In summary Islam a misunderstood religion by its own Muslim majority and for outsider Islam equates terrorism.  Like any old tradition for example Aztec we never know how many of Sufi's teaching , books are destroyed by fanatics or lost in time.

This happen with all the religions in the history . Every religion inception is somewhat on the basis of some spiritual insight but when it comes in the hands of followers . To be very specific a very smart authoritarian minded small number of followers . Religion becomes institutions of corruption.

Here is Sufi Translation of Quran from Ahmed Hulusi which totally opposite to what normal translation you get online. 99 names of Allah still amazed me.

https://www.ahmedhulusi.org/en/quran/introductory-information-to-understanding-the-quran

Check out some thoughts shared by me on this topic here.

The same way there may be other mystical side of Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism etc which is taken over by fanatics to serve there own flavors.

Edited January 2 by ExplorerMystic