Boys Don't Cry. Girls Do.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Men do understand women

No.

Men's understanding of women is a gross projection of their own needs.

Edited Saturday at 11:09 PM by Leo Gura

[Javfly33]

On 1/2/2025 at 0:41 AM, Leo Gura said:

Stage Green as become so foolish that it cannot even understand why men are not allowed to cry. Cannot even tell a dick apart from a vagina.

I'm not Stage Green, but The difference between a dick and a vagina is simply the physicality of it.

Then, the construction we make on our heads is the fantasy.

As it has been said, seen, and observed, being a "man" is a construct, as is being a "woman".

What is real is the physical and hormonal differences, rest is a fantasy created by society.

We all have met men that have their feminine side stronger than their masculine side, and women that have their masculine side stronger than their feminine side.

Representation or domination of each energy (masculine/femenine) in each being will differ. 

It doesn´t have to do with the physicality of it, because the more balanced it is the more perfect that human is.

Hatha Yoga aims to balance the energies to a 50% masculine 50% feminine in you. So having a penis should not be confused with having to be macho. But also neither to become a sissy. 

Edited Saturday at 10:55 PM by Javfly33

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Twentyfirst Your posts are literaly a pinacle of retardation LOL you do realize you can cry, or be emotional in general and still go take care of business if it needs to be taken care off? Just cry whenever you need to cry naturally, don't set up these rules like a dummy slave "men do not cry, women cry" LOL what you will then discover is that you will actually not cry very often because you will be happier. Because you are not a slave

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

This is exactly where you are wrong. You found the problem but took the opposite solution. Yes men have mental health issues. But the solution isn’t to cry it out, which will make the problem worse, but to go out and conquer the world. Why don’t you listen to men about men? 

Humans in general don't operate that way with regard to emotional issues. And the male and female nervous system is 99% similar with maybe some small differences.

And this is especially clear to me, given that I've coached hundreds of men and helped them work through their own mental and emotional blocks to success. And for men who are dealing with the blocks, no amount of consciously willing themselves to "conquer the world" will work.

My services are often sought by highly motivated male entrepreneurs who want to go out and conquer the world. But they're held back from it because they haven't faced their Shadow. And I've helped one particularly successful male client with what holds him back to where he credits me with helping him earn millions of dollars. And he sends me a lot of referrals.

So, I do know a thing or two about how men and women work after 6000+ hours of coaching. And most of my clients have been male.

But to answer your question as to why I don't just "believe men about men" is that it would be doing them a disservice because I understand a great deal about how human beings function and a lot of the Masculine gender ideologies are over-simplified, romanticized, and incorrect.

I'll give an analogy...

Let's say that men were being conditioned that they had to hold their pee to be properly Masculine, and I came along and said "Actually, both men and women have to pee." Then you'd be asking me why I don't "listen to men about men?"

And then half the men on this thread would be like "NO! Peeing is for women ONLY! Men need to man up and sweat the urine out through our pours like manly men used to do!"

That's how it looks to me when men say they don't need to process their emotions. Emotions are a physiological function that all humans have, and ignoring that function will bite every person in the ass regardless of gender.

 

Edited Saturday at 11:20 PM by Emerald

[Emerald]

45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Men's understanding of women is a gross projection of their own needs.

That's the whole thing I've been trying to get at when I'm arguing with you about the narratives men create about women.

They aren't true. They're just practical in some situations. But they also cause problems in other situations when they get viewed as truth and extrapolated out into skewed paradigms and frameworks of belief. 

And it just convinces men that they understand women because they found some things that worked practically when they adopted those narratives and ideological frameworks.

And then, they're never able to see a woman again as long as they live because they're cut is filled and they've closed the book. And they've filled in all the mystery blanks with ideological flotsam that's disguised as truth with tons of reinforcement from other guys who are saying "Yes. This is true because I got good results with it."

But most of that flotsam is really like Dumbo's magic feather, and it becomes like a security blanket to try to feel more in control, but blocks the ability for intimacy and human-to-human interactions with women down the line.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That's the whole thing I've been trying to get at when I'm arguing with you about the narratives men create about women.

Because you try to argue with me about things I am not arguing.

You make big assumptions about things I say. Like in this thread. Because you feel a need to defend the woman agenda.

My positions are more nuanced than they seem from your perspective. I say something narrow and you take it as something much broader than what I meant, as if I am some run of the mill manosphere guy.

I say something about why men are not supposed to cry, and you interpret it as some sexist toxic caveman alpha-bro dysfunctional thing. Same happened when I said that women are supposed to be beautiful.

This kind of Green snowflakery is tiring and why guys turn to the manosphere with a vengeance. Not that that's wise, but they don't know any better how to handle it.

Edited Saturday at 11:56 PM by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because you try to argue with me about things I am not arguing.

You make big assumptions about things I say. Like in this thread. Because you feel a need to defend the woman agenda.

My positions are more nuanced than they seem from your perspective. I say something narrow and you take it as something much broader than what I meant, as if I am some run of the mill manosphere guy.

I say something about why men are not supposed to cry, and you interpret it as some sexist toxic caveman alpha-bro dysfunctional thing. Same happened when I said that women are supposed to be beautiful.

This kind of Green snowflakery is tiring and why guys turn to the manosphere with a vengeance. Not that that's wise, but they don't know any better how to handle it.

What is the woman agenda that I'm trying to defend, from your perspective?

But I do not think you're a manosphere guy. I watched your videos for a long time including all the ones about dating and what women want. So, I know very well what your perspective is. I literally found you from those videos... funny enough.

So, I see you as a guy with some degree of insights into these matters but otherwise pretty reductive and dug in on a certain way of thinking about women and relationships. And especially the way you to talk about it here will reinforce more false narratives and paradigms about women... which will do a disservice for men and women both.

But yes... telling men they shouldn't cry is toxic caveman stuff... at least in how it will be interpreted. Many of these guys on here are already struggling with anti-social ways of thinking about things, and that will just add more fuel to that fire because the nuance isn't made clear.

There's a big distinction between men ribbing eachother to put positive peer pressure on them to do something... and creating a whole narrative about how men shouldn't cry.

You literally said that mental health issues are the price that men pay to be a man. That's a big problem.

And don't blame me for men turning to the manosphere. The call is coming from within the house.

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Twentyfirst Your posts are literaly a pinacle of retardation LOL you do realize you can cry, or be emotional in general and still go take care of business if it needs to be taken care off? Just cry whenever you need to cry naturally, don't set up these rules like a dummy slave "men do not cry, women cry" LOL what you will then discover is that you will actually not cry very often because you will be happier. Because you are not a slave

You do realize that life without rules is anarchy? What’s your end goal? To normalize everything and then everything that is currently abnormal is accepted and encouraged just so you can FEEL more free? If you feel more free does that mean you are actually more free or does it mean you just feel like you are more free?

Men never even complained about not being able to cry. It was only until this manosphere came up that men started to act like women. All these guys online begging for male rights, male homeless shelters, gossiping about women, trying to change women, allowing women’s words to move them. Questioning why men have to be providers and initiators. Men never use to do this and men were always fine being cold killers in which society would dispose of them it was only until this woke agenda that they created the manosphere and started begging to be treated more like women and saying they need to cry 

The true slaves are the people so arrogant that as soon as they get iPhones in their pockets they not only throw away everything that was handed down to them from the past 10,000 generations but also talk down on the ancients way of life as if you somehow figured out something far superior. It’s more than just crying or not crying this is just one aspect of this new bullshit thinking that everyone is entitled to their own choices even if it destroys society. Guess what you are not entitled to your choices because the people who actually follow the rules and take society seriously will become powerful and rule over you and run you just like how it’s always been. Come to think of it I think you insane progressives always existed but there was always a traditional power structure set in place to keep you down, busy, and quiet. I would like to see a return to that

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:36 AM by Twentyfirst

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

What is the woman agenda that I'm trying to defend, from your perspective?

The view from which you ladies like to argue with me from

You know your view.

Edited Sunday at 02:13 AM by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

On 1.1.2025 at 11:53 PM, Schizophonia said:

When you take exogenous testosterone or other androgenic compounds, at a certain amount you literally lose the ability to cry. You can be very sad but it never really comes. 🤔

 

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"[...] and I look at the pond and the trees and I'm like *grrrrrrr* 😡😡😡 — all I feel is rage, and frustration, and anger [...]"

- Mike Israetel while on 25x times the normal amount of testosterone.

Edited Sunday at 02:56 AM by Carl-Richard

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

What is the woman agenda that I'm trying to defend, from your perspective?

But I do not think you're a manosphere guy. I watched your videos for a long time including all the ones about dating and what women want. So, I know very well what your perspective is. I literally found you from those videos... funny enough.

So, I see you as a guy with some degree of insights into these matters but otherwise pretty reductive and dug in on a certain way of thinking about women and relationships. And especially the way you to talk about it here will reinforce more false narratives and paradigms about women... which will do a disservice for men and women both.

But yes... telling men they shouldn't cry is toxic caveman stuff... at least in how it will be interpreted. Many of these guys on here are already struggling with anti-social ways of thinking about things, and that will just add more fuel to that fire because the nuance isn't made clear.

There's a big distinction between men ribbing eachother to put positive peer pressure on them to do something... and creating a whole narrative about how men shouldn't cry.

You literally said that mental health issues are the price that men pay to be a man. That's a big problem.

And don't blame me for men turning to the manosphere. The call is coming from within the house.

I love how you stick to your grounds. From what I see from your posts and responses, I don't see them coming from a place of defense, emotions, or trying to reiterate your stances. While I'm not saying you're right or you're wrong in whatever you say, the words seem to be coming from a place where you've had extensive background knowledge on the subject. If you're wrong in anything you've said, it's still not because of some agenda, but from what you believe to be the case and not from  some emotional place of defending the female gender or trying to prove something or being stubborn and not wanting to see the other side. 

 

 

[Emerald]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The view from which you ladies like to argue with me from

You know your view.

I asked you what you think my agenda is because I suspect that you might misunderstand it... and that you might have a narrative projected over top of it... like "the fish won't teach you how to catch it" or some other such thought stopping cliché.

But I want men to be able to have the experiences with women they want to have. I don't take any issue with that, and I think it's a perfectly normal desire. 

And I'm not operating off of some instinctual female hive mind to try to drive up the collective difficulty men need to overcome to get women by throwing men off the trail of what women "really" want... which seems to be what people act like I'm doing.

I'm specifying all of this because I figured there's a fair chance that you're assuming that my agenda has something remotely to do with dating and sexuality. But it actually doesn't.

It's just that sexuality tends to be a topic where lots of stuff gets projected onto women that isn't really there. 

And the main personal agenda that I have is that I deeply dislike being misunderstood and misrepresented. It's more upsetting to me than most things because of how deeply disempowering it is... especially that a lot of men have been conditioned to believe "women can't teach men anything valuable about women", which is deeply untrue as it is the remedy for a lot of male shame that is the motor that runs these movements and narratives.

And women are scary to most men, so men do a lot of projecting because they don't really understand and they want to create the illusion of certainty. And they start listening to men who have absolutely no clue how humans operate who are going to worsen their issues and not make them better.

And all the stories and ideological frameworks many men project women genuinely scares me because that's the way people become marginalized and unheard because people are too busy projecting onto you to actually understand you.

People use narratives all the time to marginalize and demonize people and project what will meet their needs onto them.

And after a decade, I'm sick of men who read some books written by other men and got some practical results with it, thinking that they are the experts on women. And they become really difficult to be around because they can't see you outside of their stories.

Then when they're corrected that their narrative paints a false picture, they pretend women just don't understand even though the things they're sharing are pretty straight forward to understand and relate to.

It's often a salve that men use to feel relief when they have the idea that they know women better than women know themselves. 

[Lyubov]

You should be crying as a man. In solitude, in nature. Cry your eyes out. Just don’t do it in front of your girl. You can get a pass here and there though. 

[Emerald]

22 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I love how you stick to your grounds. From what I see from your posts and responses, I don't see them coming from a place of defense, emotions, or trying to reiterate your stances. While I'm not saying you're right or you're wrong in whatever you say, the words seem to be coming from a place where you've had extensive background knowledge on the subject. If you're wrong in anything you've said, it's still not because of some agenda, but from what you believe to be the case and not from  some emotional place of defending the female gender or trying to prove something or being stubborn and not wanting to see the other side. 

Thank you. I am trying to be heard and understood. So, I'm trying to share my perspective in a lot of different ways. 

But the defenses are strong as there are lots of deeply held beliefs that feel very useful and comforting. So, it's difficult for the message to get through. 

So it's... this angle. No? How about this angle? Not? Well how about this angle instead?

It might be a fools errand, but worth a try.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Emerald said:

a lot of men have been conditioned to believe "women can't teach men anything valuable about women", which is deeply untrue

That isn't the claim being made.

Of course women can teach stuff about women. But women also give a lot of misleading advice which is counter-productive to becoming a strong man, getting results, and even understanding women.

There are things about being a man that men will only learn from men.

Imagine if we men kept trying to tell you women how to be women. It would be silly.

Edited Sunday at 04:09 AM by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That isn't the claim being made.

Of course women can teach stuff about women. But women also give a lot of misleading advice which is counter-productive to becoming a strong man, getting results, and even understanding women.

You're bypassing the core of what I was saying in my previous message.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Emerald said:

You're bypassing the core of what I was saying in my previous message.

I am not addressing every point of things you say because the bottom line is we will not agree. Your view is what it is.

I do not try to explain men's issues to women because it is pointless.

Edited Sunday at 04:22 AM by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not addressing every point of things you say because the bottom line is we will not agree due to difference of view. Your view is what it is and it's not going to change from my words.

I have stopped trying to explain men's issues to women because it is pointless.

I only really made one overarching point, which is that I was clarifying that my agenda is that I don't like being misunderstood. And you overlooked it and focused on a tangential sentence. 

So, I'm asking you to respond to the main theme of what I'm saying without cherry picking some random sentence you disagree with to debunk me on what you consider to be my weakest point.

You do that often when you respond to people. 

And it's really dismissive. You're trying to win rather than understand. And then you wonder why people argue with you.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

I don't like being misunderstood.

I heard you. And don't we all?

Which is why I do not want to argue with your view. You got your feminine view. Express it, as you do, and people will consider it.

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I do not try to explain men's issues to women because it is pointless.

How is a discussion about women with women, men's issues. Telling women how they are and not trying to hear their pov and saying we say "not me", without considering that it could be "not me", in certain instances would be a pointless discussion.