Boys Don't Cry. Girls Do.

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

What about the Arab women in France who are not allowed to wear hijab but protest to be able to wear it? Why don't they rebel since they are in the perfect location for it?

They have a right to protest and I humbly respect their right. But I'm sure even those women don't agree with your mindset. Even Islamic women are learning to choose their husbands now. And they are flocking to Western countries and in happy marriages with men of their choice. 

[integral]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

You should see if his wife agrees with him or not. That would tell us more about the situation. Maybe after you saw his wife she texted him about it

Does she wear full body and face covering? 

I agree I don't know what she's thinking and it could be perfectly fine for her.

She was fully covered but not face cover, but she had the hair cover and everything.

Edited Monday at 02:22 AM by integral

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

I'm married by the way and in a happy marriage. No it's not an arrange marriage. I'm proud. I didn't fail at shit. My husband is my own choice. I'm not forced to marry a man the way my mother was. 

It's your fantasy that women fail. They don't. Men love us for what we are. It's men like you who hate liberated women because it grinds against their ego. 

There's nothing wrong if a woman chooses a husband for herself. 

And my husband doesn't treat me like a slave. So I guess I won, not failed. 

Women are winning all over the planet, meanwhile you can keep complaining in your fantasy to control them. Won't land anywhere. 

Not all arranged marriages are by force. Just because your moms was doesn't mean everyone does it that way

Believe it or not. Some arranged marriages give women the choice whether they want to go through with it or not

You failed at traditionalism. Thats why you aren't traditional. You said it yourself. You cant stomach it

Why would it be my fantasy for women to fail? 

Assumptions and contempt for anyone who is even remotely traditional. Then you take it to the furthest level imagining that we all have women inside of cages just because one traditional man did that 100 years ago 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

You should see if his wife agrees with him or not. That would tell us more about the situation. Maybe after you saw his wife she texted him about it

Does she wear full body and face covering? 

Women don't need to be fully covered lol. Have you seen Pakistan and Afghanistan? I have women friends all over the globe including western countries and the Middle East.

Young women don't even wear the hijab anymore. Lmao. 

Don't peddle shit that is not true. 

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

They have a right to protest and I humbly respect their right. But I'm sure even those women don't agree with your mindset. Even Islamic women are learning to choose their husbands now. And they are flocking to Western countries and in happy marriages with men of their choice. 

The arranged marriages you speak of aren't as common as you make it seem. There are different types. Religiously a woman always has the right to choose. Im pretty sure politically too. Culturally its rare that she doesnt have that right 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

Women don't need to be fully covered lol. Have you seen Pakistan and Afghanistan? I have women friends all over the globe including western countries and the Middle East.

Young women don't even wear the hijab anymore. Lmao. 

Don't peddle shit that is not true. 

Calm down feminist. I know you are raging inside but just calm down

I asked him if she was covered up because that would tell me if she agrees with her husbands position or not

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

I agree I don't know what she's thinking and it could be perfectly fine for her.

She was fully covered but not face cover.

Gotcha

Between you and me. If a woman usually wears a hair cover for example and a man knocks on the door I would wait until she put it on to answer the door out of respect for her. If she doesn't want you seeing her hair, sorry you aint gonna see it no matter what

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

Calm down feminist. I know you are raging inside but just calm down

I asked him if she was covered up because that would tell me if she agrees with her husbands position or not

Liberated Muslim women are not covered from head to toe. I have Muslim women who are my friends. 

[Buck Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Calm down feminist.

Lmao. I'm cool as a Feminist Cucumber.

Edited Monday at 02:30 AM by Buck Edwards

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

Liberated Muslim women are not covered from head to toe. I have Muslim women who are my friends. 

LIBERATED FROM WHAT??? I don't understand what the hell you are talking about

Some are covered and some aren't. There are different levels of covering. WHICH IS WHY I ASKED HIM

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Sorry that happened to your grandma. LETS CHANGE ALL OF SOCIETY

I have seen this woman's videos before. She's just making jokes that would resonate with westerners. She agrees with the Indian way of life and doesn't want to abandon it

Society changes naturally with the rise of new technologies and more complex societal structures.

It's how our nature interacts with new societal developments. And we're a highly adaptive species because we are designed to grow to the potentials our societal infrastructure allows. 

For example, there were undoubtedly early humans that existed that held within them the potential to build cars, planes, computers, and nuclear weapons. But society hadn't developed to the point where they could express such potentials. So, those potentials never got expressed.

But once society did evolve to that point, such potentials were expressed.

It's the same thing with female individuation. Women have always had the capacity for individuation. But society hadn't developed to the point where they could express such potentials. So, those potentials never got expressed.

But once society did evolve, such potentials were expressed.

So, it's not something that's done solely to save the grandmas. It's just a force of nature that can't be held back once the space arises for such development.

But do you believe it's correct that women should go through the things the woman mentioned in the video?

[Buck Edwards]

8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

LIBERATED FROM WHAT??? I don't understand what the hell you are talking about

Some are covered and some aren't. There are different levels of covering. WHICH IS WHY I ASKED HIM

Why are you hiding that liberated younger women in your country don't like to wear the burqa and hijab anymore? 

You don't tell us your exact country in the middle east because you know we will all google shit about your country and find out for ourselves. 

Lmao you want an imaginary victory on a forum to please your Patriarchal Ego. 

But things are changing in your country. I know that a 100%. Just that you don't like it.

Liberation of women is happening in all Islamic countries and young women are leading it. 

But your ego is not able to cope with it. And that's okay. But don't tell us that women in your country aren't rebelling. 

because they are. 

 

Your standard response is — calm down feminist. Lmao 

 

Edited Monday at 02:36 AM by Buck Edwards

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Society changes naturally with the rise of new technologies and more complex societal structures.

It's how our nature interacts with new societal developments. And we're a highly adaptive species because we are designed to grow to the potentials our societal infrastructure allows. 

For example, there were undoubtedly early humans that existed that held within them the potential to build cars, planes, computers, and nuclear weapons. But society hadn't developed to the point where they could express such potentials. So, those potentials never got expressed.

But once society did evolve to that point, such potentials were expressed.

It's the same thing with female individuation. Women have always had the capacity for individuation. But society hadn't developed to the point where they could express such potentials. So, those potentials never got expressed.

But once society did evolve, such potentials were expressed.

So, it's not something that's done solely to save the grandmas. It's just a force of nature that can't be held back once the space arises for such development.

But do you believe it's correct that women should go through the things the woman mentioned in the video?

All those inventions happened naturally and change happened as a result

Feminism was forced and protested with law changes and dismissing half the population of men as horny monsters that will rape everything about you given the slightest chance. As if men left to their own devices have any reason to hurt you. Men are actually biologically programmed to help and even give up their lives to save women 

Funny how only your culture "evolved" and the rest didn't. I agree that it changed I just see it as a devolution seeing how theres a gender war

 

Lets see the points in the grandma video

1. Having kids early. I dont see a problem with it. Why else would you able to have kids so early? And no not to a much older man. A 16 year old man and a 14 year old woman coming together to start a family is how it's always been. Why not? 

2. Going to school. Women should definitely be educated to the highest levels. But don't forget that its family (for the majority) that will bring the highest fulfillment 

3. Birth me only sons, no daughters. This is actually against the religion. If you show you are upset after a daughter is born its a major sin

4. Surprise wedding with an arranged man. Nah, this never happens 

 

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Why are you hiding that liberated younger women in your country don't like to wear the burqa and hijab anymore? 

You don't tell us your exact country in the middle east because you know we will all google shit about your country and find out for ourselves. 

Lmao you want an imaginary victory on a forum to please your Patriarchal Ego. 

But things are changing in your country. I know that a 100%. Just that you don't like it.

Liberation of women is happening in all Islamic countries and young women are leading it. 

But your ego is not able to cope with it. And that's okay. But don't tell us that women in your country aren't rebelling. 

because they are. 

 

Your standard response is — calm down feminist. Lmao 

 

Theres always been different levels of coverings. Some women dont wear hijab, some women wear burka, some women wear hijab but show their face, some women wear gloves. Who gives a shit? 

I live in Jordan 

Liberation from what exactly? 

Okay they can rebel here. Its just filtering out the good ones from the bad ones so we don't get stuck in marriage with them

[Twentyfirst]

@Buck Edwards Is this liberation in the room with you? Blink three times if so 

[Jacob Morres]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Theres nothing more amazing than a woman bringing you a steak with a smile while you wait at the dinner table.

you know you can get doordash and it tastes just as good 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Jacob Morres said:

you know you can get doordash and it tastes just as good 

Your grandma and mother never made you home cooked meals? 

You wouldn't want your future kids to taste that love that was prepared with their bare hands? 

Everyone gathered around the table. Bringing everyone together 

Modernity missing family meals is the cause of more depression than you think 

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Im Arab and proud. It's all basically the same even if the laws are a bit different we go mostly by religion and culture which are very similar 

My best friend in middle school was Persian. His father was a very strict authoritarian husband and father who felt he had the right to dominate everyone in the family. Here's how it played out: After much drama and nasty fighting, his wife divorced him, took his mansion and the children. And to this day my best friend hates his father and regards him as an authoritarian prick.

That's how your philosophy will ultimately end in the real world.

You can call it "feminism" or whatever, but in the end no woman, even a non-feminist one, will tolerate your selfish behavior. Even in the Middle East they got divorce. And even in the Middle East women will not put up with your crap.

Edited Monday at 02:49 AM by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My best friend in middle school was Persian. His father was a very strict authoritarian husband and father felt he had the right to dominate everyone in the family. Here's how it played out: After much drama and fighting, his wife divorced him, took his mansion and the children. And to this day my best friend hates his father and regards him as an authoritarian prick.

That's how your philosophy will ultimately end in the real world.

My parents got divorced too. I don't hate my father

But my 40 aunts and uncles are fine bro. Actually the only ones that got divorced are the ones that went to the good old USA. Not all but the ones that did were there

Persians aren't Arab. They are Persians. But they are middle eastern 

I agree with your stance on leadership vs tyranny 

Edited Monday at 02:50 AM by Twentyfirst

[Buck Edwards]

11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

A 16 year old man and a 14 year old woman coming together to start a family is how it's always been. Why not? 

Lolz. 

              

 

9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

 

I live in Jordan 

 

Women are protesting in Jordan.