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[integral]

4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

@Emerald Not all of humanity is growing past it Imma get my wifey let me tell you. And im gonna raise my children the same. 

 I suspect this is the prevailing cultural fantasy where you're from, is this correct?

[integral]

@Twentyfirst If your wife is very very religious then she might be perfectly happy fitting this role For a while. Modern women in Western Society are strongly uninterested in this kind of dynamic, and want a deeper relationship with their husband.

But long-term the relationship is always going to be distant you'll never actually know who your wife is and every conversation you have with her will be surface level. If any problems arise you won't be able to address anything because you're used to not speaking deeply about anything with her. 

Hopefully you figure out how to give her an orgasm.

Edited Monday at 02:05 AM by integral

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

Where are these statistics coming from? And where's the control group?

Also, are we doing this through self-reporting?

Simple statistics and google searches. Don't be lazy. Plus if these feminist cultures are going extinct thats enough right there. Keeping the population steady is basic shit 

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

People can be conditioned to believe that they're happy even if terrible things are going on if the narratives are such that people never notice problems. 

WHAT??? So no proof will ever prove it because by the end of it all you can just say ya but its all a false reality and actually everyone is miserable 

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

 I suspect this is the prevailing cultural fantasy where you're from, is this correct?

It's a fantasy for you. A fantasy that Andrew Tate sells but you'll never actually get 

For me it's a reality. I don't have to dream

[Buck Edwards]

9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Being realistic and mature is realizing everyone is a slave. Especially in marriage. A father wont allow me to marry his daughter unless he knows I will be a slave to the relationship 

You're just stuck in your old blue stage red stage patriarchal mindset that your country and culture has ingrained in you. You just want to continue the status quo because it has worked for men without taking in women's issues and feelings into consideration. Women don't see themselves as liberated in such societies and as a result they are simply provided for by the men in the name of marriage. But these women are deeply unhappy as they aren't with desirable men. My mom was like that, married to a man in an arrange marriage, never happy. Women crave freedom in your country,especially the younger women. Sexual liberation movements are on a rise in your country. Women are protesting the status quo. These things are appearing threatening to men like you who want to keep preserving the status quo. 

But sooner or later, change is gonna come. 

Edited Monday at 02:10 AM by Buck Edwards

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

@Twentyfirst If your wife is very very religious then she might be perfectly happy fitting this role For a while. Modern women in Western Society are strongly uninterested in this kind of dynamic, and want a deeper relationship with their husband.

Everyone here is religious. Some are just a little and some are very very. All men and women fit into their roles here no matter what level. But yes very religious ones will be a bit more strict in their roles 

You can have that dynamic AND a deep relationship. Jesus 

[Buck Edwards]

5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Im Arab and proud. It's all basically the same even if the laws are a bit different we go mostly by religion and culture which are very similar 

Well wait for the next feminist Arab spring. 

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

You can have that dynamic AND a deep relationship. Jesus 

No you absolutely can't. It's toxic as fuck. Eventually women start repelling it. Deep down they don't want it. They simply cling to it because they are financially and societally dependent on the men and the men enjoy this dependency. It's toxic both ways. Just like any other abusive relationship. 

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

You're just stuck in your old blue stage red stage patriarchal mindset that your country and culture has ingrained in you. You just want to continue the status quo because it has worked for men within taking in women's issues and feelings into consideration. Women don't see themselves as liberated in such societies and as a result they are simply provided for by the men in the name of marriage. But these women are deeply unhappy as they aren't with desirable men. My mom was like that, married to a man in an arrange marriage, never happy. Women crave freedom in your country,especially the younger women. Sexual liberation movements are on a rise in your country. Women are protesting the status quo. These things are appearing threatening to men like you who want to keep preserving the status quo. 

But sooner or later, change is gonna come. 

What if I told you I didn't even grow up in the Middle East, I tried your way of life, and I chose for myself what I wanted without any manipulation or anyone ingraining anything into me? 

You are just making things up. You don't actually know what women in my country are like because their opinions are worth jack shit to you. You just treat them as example pawns in your little "liberation" scheme

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

No you absolutely can't. It's toxic as fuck. Eventually women start repelling it. Deep down they don't want it. They simply cling to it because they are financially and societally dependent on the men and the men enjoy this dependency. It's toxic both ways. Just like any other abusive relationship. 

Just because you fail at something doesn't mean others haven't excelled at it. You don't have the discipline to do what im saying. You are too rebellious which works against you 

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Who said anything about oppression? You just have so much fear and contempt in your heart for how your grandparents used to live you assume all patriarchal societies act that way 

My maternal grandmother (until last April when she died at age 95) would frequently repeat stories of being held back from her dream of being a gym teacher.

Her father forbid her and her sister from going to college. But he paid for her brother to go to school.

And every time I met her in my life, she told me about that. There was always a deep regret that she didn't get to live out her dream.

And she took a lot of that out on my mom, I think. And that created a lot of bitterness for my mom, which has impacted our relationship.

So yes... I do have contempt for patriarchal ways of operating that are individual to me... but also passed down as intergenerational wounds. And I feel bad for my grandma.

Lots of ancient feelings of anger and powerlessness and wasted potential.

That said, she didn't get it nearly as bad as others. There's a lot of funny but not-so-funny grandma lore videos on YT shorts where grandmothers will start randomly saying the most the traumatic stories ever. 

And then you look in the comments and everyone is sharing the horror stories their grandmothers lived.

Here's an example...

 

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Well wait for the next feminist Arab spring. 

In my culture there is no such thing as oppression therefore there is no liberation to be had. 

Yes there is oppression but its not a common word or thought that is being thrown around like candy 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Just because you fail at something doesn't mean others haven't excelled at it. You don't have the discipline to do what im saying. You are too rebellious which works against you 

Rebellion comes from generational trauma and your pathetic patriarchal karma. Deal with it. 

[Emerald]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

Rebellion comes from generational trauma and your pathetic patriarchal karma. Deal with it. 

100%

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Emerald said:

My maternal grandmother (until last April when she died at age 95) would frequently repeat stories of being held back from her dream of being a gym teacher.

Her father forbid her and her sister from going to college. But he paid for her brother to go to school.

And every time I met her in my life, she told me about that. There was always a deep regret that she didn't get to live out her dream.

And she took a lot of that out on my mom, I think. And that created a lot of bitterness for my mom, which has impacted our relationship.

So yes... I do have contempt for patriarchal ways of operating that are individual to me... but also passed down as intergenerational wounds. And I feel bad for my grandma.

Lots of ancient feelings of anger and powerlessness and wasted potential.

That said, she didn't get it nearly as bad as others. There's a lot of funny but not-so-funny grandma lore videos on YT shorts where grandmothers will start randomly saying the most the traumatic stories ever. 

And then you look in the comments and everyone is sharing the horror stories their grandmothers lived.

Here's an example...

 

Sorry that happened to your grandma. LETS CHANGE ALL OF SOCIETY

I have seen this woman's videos before. She's just making jokes that would resonate with westerners. She agrees with the Indian way of life and doesn't want to abandon it

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

Rebellion comes from generational trauma and your pathetic patriarchal karma. Deal with it. 

So why only your culture rebelled? What was so bad about your patriarchy compared to every other one? 

Let me guess. Since you women are so superior compared to other women. You were the only ones brave enough to stand up against men. And now by you leading the way, the rest of the women can finally stand up for themselves too 

[integral]

@Twentyfirst I have a next door neighbor who is super religious. And he doesn't want anyone to see his wife. 

Once I had to go into his house to fix something, and his wife locked herself in the bedroom to make sure not to be seen.

Once I was outside doing gardening and his wife walked on the balcony, and I happened to see her, the husband then contacted the landlord stressed out that his wife can't do laundry outside without being gazed upon.

[Twentyfirst]

11 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Well wait for the next feminist Arab spring. 

What about the Arab women in France who are not allowed to wear hijab but protest to be able to wear it? Why don't they rebel since they are in the perfect location for it?

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

In my culture there is no such thing as oppression therefore there is no liberation to be had. 

Yes there is oppression but its not a common word or thought that is being thrown around like candy 

I'm married by the way and in a happy marriage. No it's not an arrange marriage. I'm proud. I didn't fail at shit. My husband is my own choice. I'm not forced to marry a man the way my mother was. 

It's your fantasy that women fail. They don't. Men love us for what we are. It's men like you who hate liberated women because it grinds against their ego. 

There's nothing wrong if a woman chooses a husband for herself. 

And my husband doesn't treat me like a slave. So I guess I won, not failed. 

Women are winning all over the planet, meanwhile you can keep complaining in your fantasy to control them. Won't land anywhere. 

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, integral said:

@Twentyfirst I have a next door neighbor who is super religious. And he doesn't want anyone to see his wife. 

Once I had to go into his house to fix something, and his wife locked herself in the bedroom to make sure not to be seen.

Once I was outside doing gardening and his wife walked on the balcony, and I happened to see her, the husband then contacted the landlord stressed out that his wife can't do laundry outside without being gazed upon.

You should see if his wife agrees with him or not. That would tell us more about the situation. Maybe after you saw his wife she texted him about it

Does she wear full body and face covering?