Boys Don't Cry. Girls Do.

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's just not going to work.

You are describing an authoritarian fantasy. Eventually even the least self-respecting and meek woman will get tired of your domination and selfishness and leave you. But before that happens there will be so much drama and fighting that you will regret you ever met her.

What your domination will do is just make her hate you and leave you in the end.

You're simply not going to find a human who will be your doormat as you dream. And that you even desire to have that is the problem. This is a sick way to relate to other human beings. Just because you think you are providing for her or whatever does not mean she will be your doormat. Fundamentally, you are violating another being's soveriegnty for egotistical purposes, and that will not end well.

Try it and you will see how badly it fails.

We are both saying the same thing. You are just saying it in a more pleasant way

I really don't get it. This is how it's always been. My culture is fine. No woman is slitting her wrists the moment nobody is watching 

They LIKE it 

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's just not going to work.

You are describing an authoritarian fantasy. Eventually even the least self-respecting and meek woman will get tired of your domination and selfishness and leave you. But before that happens there will be so much drama and fighting that you will regret you ever met her.

What your domination will do is just make her hate you and leave you in the end.

You're simply not going to find a human who will be your doormat as you dream. And that you even desire to have that is the problem. This is a sick way to relate to other human beings. Just because you think you are providing for her or whatever does not mean she will be your doormat. Fundamentally, you are violating another being's soveriegnty for egotistical purposes, and that will not end well.

Try it and you will see how badly it fails. Because people are not on this Earth to serve you. If you think you will get away with dominating women, you are sorely mistaken.

This is a golden post and probably the best dating advice you have ever given. Thanks for making this wonderful caring post. 

[Emerald]

@Twentyfirst I tend to like to play the more receptive role in a relationship. And I like the Masculine/Feminine dynamic in subtle ways that don't undercut my power and sovereignty.

Yet I'm utterly repelled by men who think like you do because if I were in that relationship, I'd only be there in body but not in mind or spirit. And I would retreat to the inner world to escape.

I know because I've been in this kind of power-imbalanced dynamic. 

I literally need a sense of eye-to-eye partnership to even be able to open my body to man without it feeling a deeper cringe. And playing with the Masculine and Feminine dynamics are just the icing on the cake.

It's sort of like the scene in Disney's Tarzan where Tarzan meets Jane for the first time. And they both hold up their hands, and Tarzan first marvels and is amazed at the sameness. This is his first time seeing another human, and he recognizes her humanity. 

But then, he notices that couched within that sameness are differences. 

Patriarchal men focus on the differences without acknowledging the sameness. And it destroy all potential for intimacy and a feel good relationship form a woman's perspective. 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Emerald said:

@Twentyfirst I tend to like to play the more receptive role in a relationship. And I like the Masculine/Feminine dynamic in subtle ways that don't undercut my power and sovereignty.

Yet I'm utterly repelled by men who think like you do because if I were in that relationship, I'd only be there in body but not in mind or spirit. And I would retreat to the inner world to escape.

I know because I've been in this kind of power-imbalanced dynamic. 

I literally need a sense of eye-to-eye partnership to even be able to open my body to man without it feeling a deeper cringe. And playing with the Masculine and Feminine dynamics are just the icing on the cake.

It's sort of like the scene in Disney's Tarzan where Tarzan meets Jane for the first time. And they both hold up their hands, and Tarzan first marvels and is amazed at the sameness. This is his first time seeing another human, and he recognizes her humanity. 

But then, he notices that couched within that sameness are differences. 

Patriarchal men focus on the differences without acknowledging the sameness. And it destroy all potential for intimacy and a feel good relationship form a woman's perspective. 

You are just making stuff up. Most continents in the world are closer to my culture than they are yours. Billions of people are all oppressed by patriarchy I guess. Even though your culture is the only one with feminism/red pill and everyone else is completely fine 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Yet I'm utterly repelled by men who think like you do because if I were in that relationship, I'd only be there in body but not in mind or spirit. And I would retreat to the inner world to escape.

So true. That kind of domination is so repelling.

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

So true. That kind of domination is so repelling.

You are just doing what feminists do. Demanding everything without wanting to give anything 

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

You are just doing what feminists do. Demanding everything without wanting to give anything 

A woman's feelings are what they are. You don't get to rule people's feelings based on patriarchy. If you have a problem with feminism, maybe you should also have a problem with patriarchy. Why so sexist? 

Play it fair if you wanna be integrous in life. 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

A woman's feelings are what they are. You don't get to rule people's feelings based on patriarchy. If you have a problem with feminism, maybe you should also have a problem with patriarchy. Why so sexist? 

Play it fair if you wanna be integrous in life. 

You just hate living a disciplined life because it's more challenging. And you miss out on those rewards 

[Emerald]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

You are just making stuff up. Most continents in the world are closer to my culture than they are yours. Billions of people are all oppressed by patriarchy I guess. Even though your culture is the only one with feminism/red pill and everyone else is completely fine 

Of course billions of people are oppressed by patriarchy. Why would it not be the case? Humanity is not fully developed yet.

And I'm not making stuff up at all. But I understand why you'd need to think that way to maintain your ideas.

And the reality is that societies are always flawed. And all of them squelch the human spirit to some degree or another. And Stage Blue societies do that all the time... especially with women. 

And women's individuation and sovereignty has been a sacrificial lamb towards the cause of collective survival until our technological and society evolution has freed it from the collective Shadow.

You just don't like the implication that humanity is growing past your worldview.

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Emerald said:

Of course billions of people are oppressed by patriarchy. Why would it not be the case? Humanity is not fully developed yet.

And I'm not making stuff up at all. But I understand why you'd need to think that way to maintain your ideas.

And the reality is that societies are always flawed. And all of them squelch the human spirit to some degree or another. And Stage Blue societies do that all the time... especially with women. 

And women's individuation and sovereignty has been a sacrificial lamb towards the cause of collective survival until our technological and society evolution has freed it from the collective Shadow.

You just don't like the implication that humanity is growing past your worldview.

Why are women statistically unhappier by every metric since feminism/sexual revolution/workforce. How can you just turn a blind eye to that while rejecting other more successful cultures 

[Buck Edwards]

@Twentyfirst what you are talking about throughout all of your posts is not the kind of sexy domination a female fantasy desires. 

You're talking about downright oppression of women. 

Women are attracted to leadership qualities in men. 

But sooner or later the women in your society will start protesting the oppression that happens. It's just male agenda gone amok. 

You can cry feminism all you want. Women like the domination fantasy. They don't like oppression. Huge difference. 

 

[Emerald]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

You just hate living a disciplined life because it's more challenging. And you miss out on those rewards 

I see you in that picture of you handing a sandwich to me. What a good submissive little guy you are.

[Twentyfirst]

@Emerald Not all of humanity is growing past it Imma get my wifey let me tell you. And im gonna raise my children the same. 

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

@Emerald Not all of humanity is growing past it Imma get my wifey let me tell you. And im gonna raise my children the same. 

When you get a slave, that is. 

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

@Twentyfirst what you are talking about throughout all of your posts is not the kind of sexy domination a female fantasy desires. 

You're talking about downright oppression of women. 

Women are attracted to leadership qualities in men. 

But sooner or later the women in your society will start protesting the oppression that happens. It's just male agenda gone amok. 

You can cry feminism all you want. Women like the domination fantasy. They don't like oppression. Huge difference. 

 

Who said anything about oppression? You just have so much fear and contempt in your heart for how your grandparents used to live you assume all patriarchal societies act that way 

[integral]

@Twentyfirst what country are you from?

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, integral said:

@Twentyfirst what country are you from?

Must be something in the middle east. 

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

When you get a slave, that is. 

Being realistic and mature is realizing everyone is a slave. Especially in marriage. A father wont allow me to marry his daughter unless he knows I will be a slave to the relationship 

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Why are women statistically unhappier by every metric since feminism/sexual revolution/workforce. How can you just turn a blind eye to that while rejecting other more successful cultures 

Where are these statistics coming from? And where's the control group?

Also, are we doing this through self-reporting?

People can be conditioned to believe that they're happy even if terrible things are going on if the narratives are such that people never notice problems. 

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, integral said:

@Twentyfirst what country are you from?

Im Arab and proud. It's all basically the same even if the laws are a bit different we go mostly by religion and culture which are very similar