Posted Thursday at 03:21 PM I have noticed that the more attractive and high status a man is, the more he is allowed to show weakness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Thursday at 03:24 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tenebroso said: I have noticed that the more attractive and high status a man is, the more he is allowed to show weakness Because he also show strength. The real question is are you doing the job, a rich mma fighter, or simply famous person is strong even if he tends to cry more for some reasons. Edited Thursday at 03:24 PM by Schizophonia Nothing will prevent Willy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Thursday at 03:38 PM 15 hours ago, Emerald said: I agree. I see those old ways of hardening boys and men up as being an unfortunate but necessary adaptation to an older societal structure and the tasks that all men needed to participate in. And of course, it caused psychological problems back then too. But survival required it. So, the men just needed to swallow their grief and their PTSD.... and drank it away or beat their wife and children. But it just was the way it was. But now, our society has developed enough to allow men to express themselves more fully and be more pro-social. But a lot of men romanticize the notion of manhood and hold tightly onto a hyper-masculine mythos that's ill-fitting to our level of societal development. And so, they cannot be grateful for the blessings that contemporary society brings. And they disallow themselves from coming into deeper degrees of wholeness. The cleave tightly to obsolete gender expectations that they want to larp as. Actually if you read old religious scriptures, crying was a very normal thing to do. It was even looked at positively as a sign of humility and humanness and connection to God. Men were historically allowed to cry. It's really just a modern invention that prohibits men from crying, probably emerged after the industrial revolution where men are now supposed to be robots that perform tasks relentlessly without thinking or feeling or taking rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Thursday at 04:21 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Emerald said: The thing is, I genuinely am not entirely sure that women cry more easily than men because of my personal experiences. It is worrying that you don't know this.. We have our thinking, emotional, survival brain. Men can shut their emotional brain off easier and just operate by our survival brain. And when our survival brain is activated, it is either kill or be killed and no time for advanced emotions and crying. For women it is very difficult to shut their emotional brain off, that is why there are no women working in slaughter houses. I killed wild animals and it is very difficult to do it when my emotional brain is on (and I start having sympathy for the animal). But when I press my killer switch I'm in a different paradigm and killing is like shaking hands. Women don't have this inclined natural killer switch. That is why people with PTST can't cry, because they are stuck in the survival brain and can't access the emotional brain (that connects to the parasympathetic autonomic nervous system) that is needed for healing. Edited Thursday at 04:35 PM by AION "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Thursday at 04:27 PM Crying is essentially an expression of helpless anger. You're faced with a situation where you have so much desire that it should be other than it actually is (anger), but at least as you perceive there is nothing that you can do about it (helplessness). This energy can be expressed in many ways. Crying is one valid way when there's really absolutely no other way. It's like a final resort. In practice, there are usually so many things that you can do about almost any negative situation before you conclude that there's nothing else to do but cry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Friday at 07:57 AM Leo wrote the right things. Others who were arguing had misinterpreted what he meant. People get confused in words, and don't go beyond them. Whatever comes to their mind, they write it down without contemplating. He is not promoting toxic masculinity. Neither telling anyone to repress their emotions. It's very easy to misunderstand when the topic is very subtle. Pointless debates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Friday at 04:55 PM 8 hours ago, Candle said: Leo wrote the right things. Others who were arguing had misinterpreted what he meant. People get confused in words, and don't go beyond them. Whatever comes to their mind, they write it down without contemplating. He is not promoting toxic masculinity. Neither telling anyone to repress their emotions. It's very easy to misunderstand when the topic is very subtle. Pointless debates. He had to say the exact same points but in a feminine Style and then people would have consumed it without vomiting. Such as our culture. It's very easy to conflate his writing style with low Orange. Because he uses all the same vocabulary. StopWork.ai - Voice Everything Browser Extension How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 12:34 AM On 1/1/2025 at 6:41 PM, Leo Gura said: Have you even seen me cry? actually yes but who cares? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:07 PM “We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.“ -Fight Club Stop playing around with these questions and thoughts. Imagine if all men in the world were granted permission to cry. It would destroy everything our ancestors worked so hard for. Of course women will encourage you to cry. They will also say it’s okay to go skydiving without a parachute. Since when do men take serious advice from women anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:13 PM “Yes I just came back from my date but I think there was something wrong with that man. He didn’t laugh and giggle at all. He didn’t wanna gossip with me. And where was the deep vulnerability. It seemed like he was dense and couldn’t read my mind when I gave super subtle hints about something. He didn’t even wear perfume, makeup, or have his nails painted. I guess there are no real men to find in this world” -Emerald, probably Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:18 PM On 1/2/2025 at 3:29 AM, Emerald said: I've witnessed this dynamic. And I can see that there are social pressures. But of course I haven't experienced them myself.... at least not as strongly as I would have had I been male. But I've seen the dynamics play out and how it messes guys up and creates all sorts of insecurities and quirks. But regardless of how it looks to the opposite sex (though emotional intelligence is quite attractive in men, imo)... it's still unhealthy for men to bottle their emotions. This is exactly where you are wrong. You found the problem but took the opposite solution. Yes men have mental health issues. But the solution isn’t to cry it out, which will make the problem worse, but to go out and conquer the world. Why don’t you listen to men about men? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:22 PM On 1/2/2025 at 4:06 AM, Hardkill said: What about all of Kobe Bryant's best friends including Shaq and Michael Jordan crying over the tragic death of Bryant and his 13-year-old daughter Gianna? How about the Rock who admitted to crying often over his mom being suicidal when he was a teenager He said in the Entertainment Online interview in 2014, “I didn’t want to do a thing, I didn’t want to go anywhere, I was crying constantly. Eventually, you reach a point where you are all cried out. The dreams I had, they’re dashed. There is no more football. My relationship was crushed. That was my absolute worst time… I looked in my pocket, and I had seven bucks. Wow! Seven bucks to my name.” Why do masculine characters in tv series cry? The reason Shaq cried is because the man he went to WAR with died. Sports is war, business is war, life is war. Even if we have technology and female presidents. But when a female becomes a CEO I don’t think she even understands that it’s war. You can’t change men Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:26 PM There are unspoken agreements men have with each other about when to cry. This is the perfect video. He earned his right to cry. Let me show you how 1. It was about his father 2. He’s a champion who ALREADY proved himself in war 3. It was a short duration 4. He was speaking to a young boy Only real men who have fought can understand this permission slip algorithm. Inside every real man is the ability to instantly detect whether or not a man should be granted permission to cry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:34 PM @Emerald Damn, as I'm reading this topic can't believe I find myself agreeing actually with you, as a woman. Leo literaly went full retardville on this topic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:36 PM “The masculine grows by challenge, but the feminine grows by praise. A man must be unabashed and expressed in his appreciation for his woman. Praise her freely.” “Men grow by challenge. As a boy, other boys would challenge you in order to inspire you: “I bet you can’t jump over that fence.” In a place like boot camp, you are told you are a worthless slimedog, and this kind of insult challenges you to be your best” Excerpt From The Way of the Superior Man David Deida Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:39 PM It’s simple. A man must be both gentle and fierce. Anything else would be cheating himself his woman and his world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:47 PM On 1/2/2025 at 1:58 PM, Davino said: No @Leo Gura!!! Don't reveal men's secrets After much contemplation: I've realized that as men don't undertand women, in the same way, women don't understand men. Moreover, women don't understand themselves nor do men understand what being a man is. All these points are wrong Men do understand women because we take care of them. Women can’t survive without men. We also have to attract them by understanding them Women don’t understand themselves because they don’t have to. They can simply live in delulu land and nothing bad will happen Men do understand how to be men. Because if they don’t they end up homeless, in jail, or dead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 09:55 PM On 1/2/2025 at 6:08 PM, Emerald said: Now, when I say the following, I don't mean men who are constantly crying and relying on others for support and constantly expecting others to be his therapist. That's emotionally draining for anyone to do that, regardless of gender. But let's say that a guy is crying here and there the way that most people do when the stress of life gets overwhelming. That's a very human thing. And if a woman dislikes it when a man cries in these circumstances, then she's just not very mature and doesn't really see him as a full human. And certainly there are a lot of immature people out there. But my recommendation to the men is to get a bit more selective and to sort women from consideration who aren't emotionally mature enough to hold space for the full spectrum of their personality. If a woman can't hold space for a man's tears, the relationship can't really go that deep to begin with. But Emerald do you see what you are doing? You are bending over backwards making all sorts of rules and relegations where men are allowed to cry. “He can cry if x happens. Or if he develops himself to x level. Or if he gains the woman’s trust. Or if society advances to x level. Or if x people will stop shaming him. Or if he cries for the right reason. But not if it’s too much crying at the wrong time. But not weeping like a loser in victim mode. But at this age it’s fine.” But nobody would ever need these disclaimers for a woman. Every single person in the world instinctually knows that women can cry WHENEVER, WHEREVER, with WHOEVER, for WHATEVER reason at any age. And when they cry there is no shaming or explanation or justification needed. Women just cry. That’s what they do. Men do not cry. That’s not what men do. All these disclaimers are trying to dress up a pig with lipstick to catfish somebody on a date Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM I’m so tired of this new world. This sort of confusion is exactly what happens when you take the man out of the house and the woman out of the kitchen!!! Ladies, go back to being baby making machines! It’s what you are best at. Not philosophy or structuring society. Gee, I wonder why they call the good ole days THE GOOD OLE DAYS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites