Psychedelics are like a video game

[Unlimited]

After having hundreds of trips I came to the conclusion that taking psychedelics is like playing  video games.

The first time you play you are very bad but once you start to understand the game and develop the required skills you get better in it.
Then you try to go from one level to the other level.
It gets more difficult with each level but you will also get better with each level.

And I see the same with taking psychedelics.
Many people think that taking one time LSD will change their life but what they don't know is that one trip is not enough to deconstruct all the constructions we built our whole lives.
It takes a lot of trips to really have changes.

What is also important is your cognitive development.
If you develop yourself in that aspect it will help you a lot in profound trips.

Just a few thoughts I had in my mind coming down from a ketamine & dmt trip.
Let me know what you think about what I just wrote but also don't take every word too seriously since I'm still pretty high. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:47 AM by Unlimited

[Unlimited]

I ask myself what would happen if I dedicate myself into psychedelics the same as people do for sports.

Taking psychedelics on a regular basis and analyzing every trip.
And spending most of my time figuring out how to reach more profound levels.

Just from thinking about it now it just make sense that you could see the same kind of improvement as with any other new thing you learn.

If I compare the trips I have now with the trips I had back then it's like a whole new dimension.
It's like every trip changes something so that the next trip is slightly different.
Between a few trips it is hard to notice that but if you look over a longer time you can see how much the trips have changed.

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:41 AM by Unlimited

[Unlimited]

I want to make music that takes you through different stages of consciousness.

I'm still in the learning process but I know I'm going to produce good music soon.

(leaving this here to give myself extra pressure)

Edited Wednesday at 10:09 AM by Unlimited

[OBEler]

21 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

I ask myself what would happen if I dedicate myself into psychedelics the same as people do for sports.

Taking psychedelics on a regular basis and analyzing every trip.
And spending most of my time figuring out how to reach more profound levels.

Just from thinking about it now it just make sense that you could see the same kind of improvement as with any other new thing you learn.

If I compare the trips I have now with the trips I had back then it's like a whole new dimension.
It's like every trip changes something so that the next trip is slightly different.
Between a few trips it is hard to notice that but if you look over a longer time you can see how much the trips have changed.

 

I agree with everything you say.

Also how psychedelic changes over time. For me less body load, less visuals, less fear (if I stay on the same level).

[Unlimited]

16 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I agree with everything you say.

Also how psychedelic changes over time. For me less body load, less visuals, less fear (if I stay on the same level).

For me it's the same especially with LSD but also my view changed compared to back then.

A few years ago I cared just about having colorful visuals but now it's more about just experiencing consciousness and contemplating existential questions.
Most of my trips are too strong that it is hard to even pay attention to the visuals.

Edited Wednesday at 10:19 AM by Unlimited

[RightHand]

A video game with high stakes 

[Buck Edwards]

This is a highly personal and subjective area.The potential benefits and risks of psychedelic use vary greatly from person to person.

Regular self-reflection and journaling can deepen your understanding of your experiences, both during and after psychedelic use. 

[MoonLanding]

Video games are like life

[Ishanga]

28 minutes ago, MoonLanding said:

Video games are like life

This sort of thinking is similar to those that think Ignorance is Bliss, then life hits You hard and nothing changes then end of life happens and You wonder why it was this way, why all the suffering then lights out and start all over again.. 

We are above this!

 

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, Unlimited said:

After having hundreds of trips I came to the conclusion that taking psychedelics is like playing  video games.

The first time you play you are very bad but once you start to understand the game and develop the required skills you get better in it.
Then you try to go from one level to the other level.
It gets more difficult with each level but you will also get better with each level.

And I see the same with taking psychedelics.
Many people think that taking one time LSD will change their life but what they don't know is that one trip is not enough to deconstruct all the constructions we built our whole lives.
It takes a lot of trips to really have changes.

What is also important is your cognitive development.
If you develop yourself in that aspect it will help you a lot in profound trips.

Just a few thoughts I had in my mind coming down from a ketamine & dmt trip.
Let me know what you think about what I just wrote but also don't take every word too seriously since I'm still pretty high. 

Everything is like this, when I first started training in martial arts it was very hard, physically, mentally and emotionally as well I had to understand the underlying principals and concepts, both mentally and physically of what I was learning but the hard work paid off then one day magic happened and things came out by themselves in a perfect way, I remember it vividly, from there one has to chose what to do, go further or stay in that zone, going further requires much more discipline, work and effort with less results, yes you progress but the increments of improvement are not as much since Your already at a top level and there is not much more room to go further,,, 

So its not just in the realm of psychedelics that this happens, all aspects of life are this way when You are true seeker in whatever field You are in and sincere about it...the problem with drugs and psychedelics is that it plays with the internal world, and if there is no solid base of Experience already established then one can quite quickly be suffering the consequences, plus ingesting anything from the outside to affect the inside is never healthy over the long run... In the end one has to realize they can produce whatever experience they want, they can know whatever it is they want to know naturally without ingesting anything from the outside, if You strive enough it will happen, it is our Human Potential!

Edited Wednesday at 03:13 PM by Ishanga

[Unlimited]

6 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

This is a highly personal and subjective area.The potential benefits and risks of psychedelic use vary greatly from person to person.

Regular self-reflection and journaling can deepen your understanding of your experiences, both during and after psychedelic use. 

Isn't everything that we experience subjective?

There are common patterns that you can see among humans, like that you need to train to build muscles.
Of course here things like genectis play also a role but you can say that this rule kinda applies for everyone.

[Unlimited]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

plus ingesting anything from the outside to affect the inside is never healthy over the long run

Why do you think so? I'm taking psychedelics since almost 7 years now (with a 2 years long break in between) and if it showed me one thing than that it's the opposite of what you wrote here.

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

Why do you think so? I'm taking psychedelics since almost 7 years now (with a 2 years long break in between) and if it showed me one thing than that it's the opposite of what you wrote here.

Everything You ingest from the outside affects Consciousness, the Perception of Reality as it is, this is especially True with psychedelics which are much more directly related to this than say food or what you watch with Your eyes... So its fair to say that if You are regularly ingesting psychedelics then if not careful you could do harm on all sorts of levels, most are not prepared for it on any of the basic levels of what makes them who they are, Body, Mind, Emotions and Energy.. Its  only been 5 yrs, long term is 15yrs plus even more... 

I've only done weed, never anything stronger, from my research on this topic in the long run is that overall regular use is not healthy..

[Unlimited]

15 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Everything You ingest from the outside affects Consciousness, the Perception of Reality as it is, this is especially True with psychedelics which are much more directly related to this than say food or what you watch with Your eyes... So its fair to say that if You are regularly ingesting psychedelics then if not careful you could do harm on all sorts of levels, most are not prepared for it on any of the basic levels of what makes them who they are, Body, Mind, Emotions and Energy.. Its  only been 5 yrs, long term is 15yrs plus even more... 

I've only done weed, never anything stronger, from my research on this topic in the long run is that overall regular use is not healthy..

I definitely agree with you here that you can harm yourself if you aren't careful.
You can say that with a lot of other hobbies too though.

Taking psychedelics over the long run can have some if not a lot of costs and I don't deny that but that doesn't mean there aren't healthy ways to do this.

It also depends on what you exactly mean by healthy, my healthy can be different than yours.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

I definitely agree with you here that you can harm yourself if you aren't careful.
You can say that with a lot of other hobbies too though.

Taking psychedelics over the long run can have some if not a lot of costs and I don't deny that but that doesn't mean there aren't healthy ways to do this.

It also depends on what you exactly mean by healthy, my healthy can be different than yours.

Well from what I read on here with trip reports and other places, it gives ppl grander experiences, some very grand experiences like "I am God" experiences, then come back from that, then it wears off but they crave it.. Maybe only Leo is beyond this since he has done so much of it and he supplemented it with research, investigation and doing other practices as well, but most here (not all) it seems to me it is not so healthy..

Health is Health, Well being means what, that we are Well in our Being lol, more happy, body works well, mind works for Us, not Us working for the Mind, Emotions are pleasant and balanced, You use it, not it using You and so forth..

[Unlimited]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Well from what I read on here with trip reports and other places, it gives ppl grander experiences, some very grand experiences like "I am God" experiences, then come back from that, then it wears off but they crave it.. Maybe only Leo is beyond this since he has done so much of it and he supplemented it with research, investigation and doing other practices as well, but most here (not all) it seems to me it is not so healthy..

Health is Health, Well being means what, that we are Well in our Being lol, more happy, body works well, mind works for Us, not Us working for the Mind, Emotions are pleasant and balanced, You use it, not it using You and so forth..

For that integration is really important.

I don't think psychedelics are the issue here, they are tools and it's up to the person how he uses them.
It's also unhealthy to use a hammer incorrectly and hit your hand with it but that doesn't mean that someone who uses a hammer for 10 years is unhealthy.

And not every trip needs to be a profound trip, you can get out a lot of trips with lower dosages too.

Besides that I've often noticed that people change their view after trying psychedelics a few times and since you didn't try them yet I think it would be the same case with you.
Doesn't mean you should try them now, just saying.

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, Unlimited said:

Isn't everything that we experience subjective?

I was saying in relation to psychedelics. 

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

For that integration is really important.

I don't think psychedelics are the issue here, they are tools and it's up to the person how he uses them.
It's also unhealthy to use a hammer incorrectly and hit your hand with it but that doesn't mean that someone who uses a hammer for 10 years is unhealthy.

And not every trip needs to be a profound trip, you can get out a lot of trips with lower dosages too.

Besides that I've often noticed that people change their view after trying psychedelics a few times and since you didn't try them yet I think it would be the same case with you.
Doesn't mean you should try them now, just saying.

Yes Agreed, but with that the state of ppl's mind generally is not in that sort of state where they don't mess things up anyways, so that is where I am coming from.. I think once inawhile, after building some stability/balance within naturally, one can go the psychedelic route to have the grand experience, but not before that, and its once a year or so, not regularly as many are doing.. There is someone posting here now on this sub forum, did some psychedelics, had the grand experience but days later has suicidal thoughts, so that is not healthy..

[Unlimited]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

There is someone posting here now on this sub forum, did some psychedelics, had the grand experience but days later has suicidal thoughts, so that is not healthy..

You need to understand that this is part of the work.
This is why it's not something for everyone.
There are potential risks and we all need to be careful.

When I started taking acid my dosages got higher very fast.
I just liked the substance that much and was very curious.
One day I took 5 tabs (5 times the regular dose) and smoked a big bong hit on top of it.
I tripped alone that night and it didn't take a long time until things started to get bad.
To that time it was the most horrifying experience I've ever had.
I thought I will be schizophrenic for ever and was considering killing myself.
That felt like a better outcome for me.
Fortunately I was able to reach out to a friend for help.
Once he arrived at my home things immediately got better.

After this experience I started to treat psychedelics with respect.
So it definitely helped me with all my future trips.

This work has its risks but at the same time you can reach levels of consciousness that you wouldn't be able to experience otherwise.

 

[Unlimited]

53 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I was saying in relation to psychedelics. 

I understand that but don't really get what you are trying to say with that.

Yes everyone experiences it differently and you can't really say that it is like that for everyone but at the same time from hearing of other experiences there are often many similarities.
For example that people see entities while being on DMT.

That's why I feel like comparing it to video games.
In general most things we humans do regularly we get better in over time so I don't see why it shouldn't be the case here.

I'm aware that this doesn't apply to every single person.

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:08 PM by Unlimited