Spiritual Advice Needed: How to Use Intuition Properly

[bmcnicho]

For a long time I’ve been resisting the idea of letting go of attachment to the intellectual mind and learning to follow intuition.

Last week I committed to this, and both yesterday and today, I had mildly schizophrenic delusions that lasted a few hours each before I pulled myself out of them.  I’m fully back to baseline now.  I have no history with schizophrenia, I am autistic though, but in a sense that’s the opposite.

I was seeing synchronicities everywhere and crafting elaborate mythopoetic hero narratives that fed into all these unconscious emotional biases.  I was trying to integrate rationality, but that only resulted in me creating more and more complex and twisted reasons why I should believe all of it.

It did result in a real surge in creativity though, because genuine insights were mixed with complete nonsense.  To an extent, new ideas are held back by being attached to what “seems reasonable”.

All traditions emphasize the importance of intuition, but I’ve never heard it explained more than “it’s a feeling” or “trust in higher intelligence”

[Abe27]

can you go into more detail with the schizophrenia?

I have aspergers, so it might be simmilar to your experience. When i slowly started accepting my intuition i also had some experiences i before felt, or rationally could interpret as "corrupt" or in the ego rational sense as wrong. But this i belive it becouse of the prior surpression of youself. Give it some time and i belive it will become much better. It is probaly, depending on the state of "schizophrenia", just because you are diffent that you belive is to. I belive this is harder for autistic people because of the genereal lack and disaprovement in social setting, it makes it harder to be who you are.

I now often meditate where i have something bothering me, and i let my intuition, my sub cons lose, and while nut surpressing any thoughts, just let be, and observe what come up. I also experience myself as very analytical, and my analytical side really like to take over my emotions and morals. But then i just turn into a ultiliterian machine with no or little pupose. 

Another explenation of intuition for me is morals, the over ego. And i would describe it as like feeling, but diffrent from feelings in the way that if i feel sad, angry, hungry or horny, then i cannot supress it, it will just quickly come back. But with my intuition i can suppress it, at least in the moment, and then nothing happens, but this is also the problem.

It's just quickly written, i can respond futher later, but have to get going now

[James123]

@bmcnicho completely let go, when you empty yourself, intuition comes inevitably.

[bmcnicho]

@Abe27 It was all motivated by the unmet need to feel significant, spiritual ego stuff.  I had pretty severe emotional issues as a child and became hyper-rational about everything instead of actually dealing with it.  I guess when I let go of the mind that stuff rose back up.

[Leo Gura]

You can use intuition to generate ideas, but then you have to test those ideas for realness through a scientific like process. You can't just assume that whatever your intuition tells you is valid.

Spiritual fantasy is a serious problem. You have to constantly keep yourself grounded by questioning your own narratives and sticking to direct experience.

Edited Wednesday at 01:10 PM by Leo Gura

[Davino]

 

4 hours ago, bmcnicho said:

All traditions emphasize the importance of intuition, but I’ve never heard it explained more than “it’s a feeling” or “trust in higher intelligence”

 

4 hours ago, bmcnicho said:

For a long time I’ve been resisting the idea of letting go of attachment to the intellectual mind and learning to follow intuition.

 

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[The Crocodile]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can use intuition to generate ideas, but then you have to test those ideas for realness through a scientific like process. You can't just assume that whatever your intuition tells you is valid.

Spiritual fantasy is a serious problem. You have to constantly keep yourself grounded by questioning your own narratives and sticking to direct experience.

If it's false then definitionally it's not an intuition.

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

If it's false then definitionally it's not an intuition.

No, that's false.

Thinking that your intuition is always true would be a massive source of self-deception. That's exactly why many New Age people are deluded. They naively go with whatever their intuition tells them and don't apply scientific epistemic rigor to any of their ideas, since that is difficult and disillusioning.

You should make a practice of catching your intuition going wrong.

Edited Wednesday at 04:33 PM by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, that's false.

If it's false, then it's not an intuition, according to my definition of what an intuition is. Instinct is something else. Lazy logic is something else.

Intuition by my conception of it must be true 100% of the time.

[r0ckyreed]

22 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

If it's false, then it's not an intuition, according to my definition of what an intuition is. Instinct is something else. Lazy logic is something else.

Intuition by my conception of it must be true 100% of the time.

How do you distinguish between true vs false intuition? 

[Leo Gura]

54 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Intuition by my conception of it must be true 100% of the time.

I know. And I told you that's a mistake.

You have invented a self-reinforcing delusional tautology. Like: The Bible must be true because by my definition it was written by God and God cannot lie.

Or like: science must be true, because if something isn't true then it cannot be real science.

You can craft all sorts of definitions like this, but you will get reality wrong by using them.

The critical point in all this is to realize that you cannot trust your own mind. You're trying to skirt this point with clever mind games but that will fail because your mind will deceive you. That's not a maybe, that's guaranteed. You are already in a state of self-deception, you just don't realize it.

The point is that there is no way to trivialize the distinguishing of truth from falsehood. This is like a law of the universe which you are trying to short-circuit. You're trying to do the psychological equivalent of traveling faster than the speed of light or building a perpetual motion machine.

Edited Wednesday at 05:33 PM by Leo Gura

[UpperMaster]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You should make a practice of catching your intuition going wrong.

I think you should’ve emphasized this point more in your videos 10x. I remember watching the harness intuition video and feeling a lot of cognitive dissonance when intuition didn’t work out the way I expected. Covering these details is really important because it threw me off a bit. I’m just sharing my experience after trying to follow your advice. ik it’s not easy to explain things perfectly, but these gaps in information can really affect how viewers learn and apply what you’re teaching I think. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:20 PM by UpperMaster

[UpperMaster]

@Leo Gura also your teaching style and lessons have improved drastically as in its way more grounded, out of curiosity, how much of your videos from the past do you now disagree with?

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:19 PM by UpperMaster

[UpperMaster]

7 hours ago, James123 said:

@bmcnicho completely let go, when you empty yourself, intuition comes inevitably.

Can you please maybe give me examples of how you did this and how that led to better life for you?

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I know. And I told you that's a mistake.

You have invented a self-reinforcing delusional tautology. Like: The Bible must be true because by my definition it was written by God and God cannot lie.

Or like: science must be true, because if something isn't true then it cannot be real science.

You can craft all sorts of definitions like this, but you will get reality wrong by using them.

The critical point in all this is to realize that you cannot trust your own mind. You're trying to skirt this point with clever mind games but that will fail because your mind will deceive you. That's not a maybe, that's guaranteed. You are already in a state of self-deception, you just don't realize it.

The point is that there is no way to trivialize the distinguishing of truth from falsehood. This is like a law of the universe which you are trying to short-circuit. You're trying to do the psychological equivalent of traveling faster than the speed of light or building a perpetual motion machine.

Just sounds like a lot of assumptions to me. Also it is not "the mind". I disagree with you that Consciousness is the same as the mind, the mind is a lower principle of Consciousness. You could be pre-mind or post-mind.

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

How do you distinguish between true vs false intuition? 

One of them is direct consciousness of Truth using intent. The other is a deviation by lower principles such as mental biases, biological biases, the laws of physics, etc.

[UpperMaster]

2 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

One of them is direct consciousness of Truth using intent. The other is a deviation by lower principles such as mental biases, biological biases, the laws of physics, etc.

How am I supposed to use that practically?  What does direct consciousness of truth using intent even mean dawg

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, UpperMaster said:

I think you should’ve emphasized this point more in your videos 10x.

Well, my understanding of everything has increased 10x since that video was recorded.

[Hojo]

I almost catch my house on fire one night. It scared me and I cleaned up. A week later I was leaving my house to get mail. As I was leaving my brain started thinking about the fire I thought why is my brain thinking about this. I am walking to the store and I realize that I forgot the key I needed then I see my brain was trying to get my attention that I was forgetting something.

Your brain won't directly tell you something it will use symbols to signify something. If you brain is telling you you are a hero then its not telling you you are a hero its telling you something else. Your brain won't just say you are a hero ego does that.

Edited Wednesday at 07:02 PM by Hojo

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, UpperMaster said:

How am I supposed to use that practically?  What does direct consciousness of truth using intent even mean dawg

Remote viewing. Tom Campbell talks about this for example. How if someone wrote a random number 162635363737 on a whiteboard in another room he could travel out of body and successfully write down the number, and he could do this repeatably. It's not necessarily the same as intuition, but it's becoming conscious of some information you wouldn't otherwise be able to just by intending it and receiving it telepathically or even directly such that you're there.

You could also use it with feelings or how somebody feels, what somebody's nature is, by "resonating". The intent makes it necessarily the case. And then you just feel the genuineness or sincerity of the resonation with accordance with Truth, but this may be difficult if there are other forces at play like mental biases, biological biases, physical biases.

Maybe @Leo Gura should become a wizard.

Edited Wednesday at 07:39 PM by The Crocodile